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06-11-2019 , 06:29 PM

Floskee

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Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 1

V is a young Asian male. Hero stacked him a few orbits ago with Ac8c after he went all in on the river and when we had the nuts. Says he flopped a set but let me get to river cheaply after I turned a A.

$800 effective. 3 limpers including V around to me on the button I look down at JJ and raise to $24. Only V calls from the Hj. Flop comes 8 6 6 rainbow. He checks I bet $35 and he thinks for about 20 seconds before shoving. Hero?

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06-11-2019 , 06:36 PM

entirecircus

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Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 189

Let it go. He might be bluffing, but there’s not enough in the pot to call off $700+.

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06-11-2019 , 06:36 PM

ionutd

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thank him for making your decision to fold so easy

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06-11-2019 , 08:42 PM

PokerPlayingGamble

Dispute Unresolved

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no need to raise to 2x pot preflop.

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06-11-2019 , 09:27 PM

Nippleman

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Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 660

Better places to get a tilted villain's stack.

Let it go.

The odds never bothered you anyway.

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06-11-2019 , 10:04 PM

Joey913

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Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 1,300

Large sizing pre screams TT - QQ so lets just make it 15 - 20. Easy fold now.

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06-11-2019 , 10:18 PM

basederic

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Preflop sizing is fine... honestly would have been advocate for 13BB+. The higher the better seeing as it looks more as a squeeze play on the button and JJ doesn't play that well multiway; this is a hand you want to go maximum 3-way.

Fold flop. There are better spots than this but I honestly don't think villain has it. In-game I most likely tank fold while trying to get a read but there's no way I'm committing 200BB+ with one pair, even though his x/jam screams 79s or 8x, A8s, etc.

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06-12-2019 , 08:02 PM

Im@thePHONEwIVY

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Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 90

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Originally Posted by Floskee

...he thinks for about 20 seconds before shoving. Hero?

20 second is a long time in this situation IMO...

As much as i hate to fold something that is MUCH MUCH highly to be good, if you call and he miraculously win with a 6 or getting there along the turn or river way, he will snap out the tilt he is in (supposedly).

But as im writing down im changing my mind.... ahhahahah

As played looks like a call due to the fact that he will prob slow something big making sure he gets the $$$.

I think this is more a question of: IS YOUR BANKROLL BIG ENOUGH FOR THIS KINDA OF CALL???

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06-12-2019 , 09:00 PM

Nippleman

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Originally Posted by Im@thePHONEwIVY

You bet 35$ on a pretty dry flop, and he is shoving you. You are pretty much hoping he has 9s, 10s, or some random hand like A8. Maybe he is feeling spewy, but whether you can handle the variance or not, this is not where we want to make our stand.

Not to say that there is a decent chance he is just semi bluffing or spewing, but I don't think it's mubsy to think we are beat here.

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06-12-2019 , 09:19 PM

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ABCforME

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Keep in mind even if he just minraised you on the flop he could still get stacks in by river.

You are on the button and it’s hard to have a real hand here let alone a 6. He has infinitely more 6s than you for bluffs and may have 99 to 1010 he thinks is good because you were on the button and he is tiltedly jamming for protection now? It’s possible. He could be doing this with the straight draw all day is my main guess. It depends on your opponent. I call given that you just stacked him and how I would perceive him playing a 6 is raising flop 100 more ish etc.

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06-13-2019 , 05:46 AM

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WereBeer

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I fold here.

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06-13-2019 , 06:10 AM

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ionutd

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not having a solid game and relying on assumptions is why you guys don't move up
we just need to call 6x or better
and it's not close when he sizes like that

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06-13-2019 , 06:17 AM

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venice10

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1. Young Asian Male
2. On possible tilt
3. Makes a huge bet on the flop
4. I have an overpair

My chips beat his into the pot. Calling all day.

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06-13-2019 , 06:25 AM

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DK Barrel

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History makes me want to call... It's huge to have a read that V slowplays monster hands, because then what on earth does he have to shove 3.5x pot here?

But folding is fine too. Either decision is fine.

I like your sizing preflop as well.

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06-13-2019 , 06:46 AM

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SUYAPA

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I dont mind the sizing pre because people like to see a flop even tho i would raise smaller. But its not a big thing imo.

What i dont like is the big sizing on this dry flop. I think 20-25 is good.
I think calling is huge spew in the longrun therefore im 100% folding to the shove.

Last edited by SUYAPA; 06-13-2019 at 06:53 AM.

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06-13-2019 , 06:48 AM

#16

SUYAPA

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Originally Posted by DK Barrel

Its 8 or 9x pot

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06-13-2019 , 06:54 AM

#17

DK Barrel

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Originally Posted by SUYAPA

Its 8 or 9x pot

Whoops, had the preflop size doubled for some reason

740 more into 124, so around 6x

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06-13-2019 , 07:00 AM

#18

SUYAPA

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Originally Posted by DK Barrel

Whoops, had the preflop size doubled for some reason

740 more into 124, so around 6x

Why?
Pot otf after hero bets is 91 and villain shoves 776.

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06-13-2019 , 08:37 AM

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DK Barrel

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Originally Posted by SUYAPA

Why?
Pot otf after hero bets is 91 and villain shoves 776.

You count out the call before counting the amount of the raise as a percentage of the pot.

simpler example: pot is $2. Player A bets pot, which is $2. Player B raises pot, which is $8. (You first take out $2, so the total pot is now $6, then raise $6 more). Player A would have to call $6 more into a pot of $12 (so, getting 2:1)

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06-13-2019 , 05:05 PM

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SUYAPA

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Originally Posted by DK Barrel

Ya i meant he raises 8,5x the size of the pot after hero bets.
You are saying 6x potsize bets

Actually not sure if there is a difference and im just getting it wrong

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06-13-2019 , 06:29 PM

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Homey D. Clown

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Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,259

Shrug fold. Not close imo. Just let him have it, maybe pout a bit about your ace high not being good enough.

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06-13-2019 , 06:30 PM

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Homey D. Clown

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Originally Posted by venice10

1. Young Asian Male
2. On possible tilt
3. Makes a huge bet on the flop
4. I have an overpair

My chips beat his into the pot. Calling all day.

3 is a pretty big stretch...

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