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2/2 Live: Evaluate my  Preflop Range Chart 2/2 Live: Evaluate my  Preflop Range Chart

04-29-2013 , 04:08 PM
My main game is a 2€/2€ 10handed with max buy in 400€ and a a rake of 10% capped to 10€. 2,3 Player seat always with 150+BB and i buy in always for the max. Do you think this game is in the long run profitable?
This question come after i have red this thread:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...ategy-1326705/

The games are often loose passive, and 2,3 fishes are always in.


I think i can´t play lag in these games, because the rake is going to kill me in the long run. What do you think of my Preflop ranges?


EP:

From early position i open raise with the following holdings

TT+ ; AQs+ ; AKo

And i´m gonna limp with 22-99

What do you think of that? Too nitty? Have i to incorporate Hands such AJs, AQo, or KQs ? in these games i don´t like to play OOP with these hands, and i want to tight it up because of rake.


MP:

From middle position my range remains nitty.
I open raise with

99+ ;,ATs+; JTs+
AJo+ ; KQo

And limp with 22-88

LP

From late position it depends how many player have called preflop
I loose it up and take advantage of position.


With 3 or less limper i raise with:

77+ ; A8s+ ; K9s+ ; Q9s+ ; J8s+ ; T7s+ ; 96s+ : 86s+ ; 75s+ : 65s ; ATo+ ; KTo+ ; QJo ; JTo.

I limp with 22-66



When there are too many limpers (4 or more) i tight it up and raise with:

99+ ; A8s+ ; KJs+ ; ATo + KQo

And with the rest of the hands i´m just overlimping.




Am i too nitty in EP/MP and too loose in LP?
04-29-2013 , 04:11 PM
LOL at folding AQo in EP in a 2/2 game.

You need to mix things up and start playing the players.
04-29-2013 , 04:20 PM
Ok for AQo, but with such a rake And 10 handed i Think there is no value in the Long run in raising from Ep stuff like AJs, KQs, JTs And suited connectors.
04-29-2013 , 09:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twentythrees
Ok for AQo, but with such a rake And 10 handed i Think there is no value in the Long run in raising from Ep stuff like AJs, KQs, JTs And suited connectors.
Can you elaborate on that?
04-30-2013 , 03:15 AM
With a range [AJs,KQs,ATs,And KQs] my Equity vs a random range (100%) is 66%, but i Play OOP And rake is 10%. Isn't this in the Long run ein Ev- Play?
04-30-2013 , 03:43 AM
Just play, take notes and find out for yourself. This type of question is basically too hard for anyone to answer. Pretty much 100% of what I play from what position depends on table dynamics.
04-30-2013 , 09:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twentythrees
With a range [AJs,KQs,ATs,And KQs] my Equity vs a random range (100%) is 66%, but i Play OOP And rake is 10%. Isn't this in the Long run ein Ev- Play?
Well, let's take a crack at it! The range you gave represents 2.3% of possible starting hands (4/169). Let's assume the table is dealt 20 hands per hour and that the average pot size is $40 (adjust this accordingly based on your experience). Every hour, you get dealt one of your 4 EP starting hands 0.14 times (20x0.023x(3/10)). The 3/10 represents the 3 early positions out of 10 seats. Now, if the avg pot size is $40 and you have 66% equity (I take your word for it), then, you'll make $40x0.66x0.14=$3.70/hr. However, you need to subtract the rake ($4 for a $40 pot) and the blinds you pay every hour ($8 based on 20 hands/hr and 10 handed action). So, in reality, you lose $3.7-4-8=$8.3/hr! To break even, you need the average pot size to be $152...So, unless I did something wrong in my calculations, it's a -EV proposition as long as your average pot size is below $152, which is most likely the case.
04-30-2013 , 09:24 PM
Now, you may make $ in middle and late position, which may render the game profitable overall
04-30-2013 , 09:33 PM
(65s, 76s, 87s, 98s and T9s) Medium connectors will eat you up. Even if you make your straight or flush with medium suited connectors, it’s possible that you’re beat by a larger straight or flush, particularly in an unraised pot, and it’s very difficult to get away from a straight or flush. Also the dominated hands will destroy your bankroll because you have to hit on the flop twice before you can make any serious money and that it's very hard (AJo, ATo, KQo, KJo, KTo, QJo, QTo and JTo). NLHM is a big card game.

AK

Last edited by Octavian; 04-30-2013 at 09:42 PM.
05-01-2013 , 11:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Flop
Well, let's take a crack at it! The range you gave represents 2.3% of possible starting hands (4/169). Let's assume the table is dealt 20 hands per hour and that the average pot size is $40 (adjust this accordingly based on your experience). Every hour, you get dealt one of your 4 EP starting hands 0.14 times (20x0.023x(3/10)). The 3/10 represents the 3 early positions out of 10 seats. Now, if the avg pot size is $40 and you have 66% equity (I take your word for it), then, you'll make $40x0.66x0.14=$3.70/hr. However, you need to subtract the rake ($4 for a $40 pot) and the blinds you pay every hour ($8 based on 20 hands/hr and 10 handed action). So, in reality, you lose $3.7-4-8=$8.3/hr! To break even, you need the average pot size to be $152...So, unless I did something wrong in my calculations, it's a -EV proposition as long as your average pot size is below $152, which is most likely the case.
I forgot to take into account the 37% of the time we get onevof the starting hands in EP but we lose the pot, so this actually make the whole scenario even less profitable.

The reality is that it's -EV even if there's no rake based on the calculations above .
05-02-2013 , 12:08 AM
I would consider reading this thread if I were you:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...-3-nl-1303247/

He elaborates on his preflop ranges from each position, and I think its very insightful and close to optimal
05-02-2013 , 01:01 AM
Starting hand charts is what many of us started with. However, almost every poker book givens you a variation of those choices. My hope is you'll get to the point where this isn't important for your game.
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