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02-21-2017 , 10:22 PM
Game is 2/2 Minimum 50 Max 400. Six handed at the time this hand was played.
I apologize right now for my bad english

V1 (450€): Young Asian guy, very loose passive preflop (VPIP 90%). Not that good post flop, very loose and passive on flop, has a fold button on turn. Understand board texture and is capable of thin value betting if he has a hand. Poor sizing anyways, always on the little side. See him Donkbetting once TPTK in a 3 way pot on T23
turn went check check and he check called river and lose to 2 pairs.

V2 (400€): Young Asian guy 2, this one is very weak tight. Fold most of his hands preflop. Fit or fold on flop, he is running good, rivering full House after calling a turn reraise from a tight player that has turned a straight. He is a friend of Villain 1, but idk if they softplay each other.

Hero (300€): Young White guy, image is LAG, opening a lot in position because people exept of V1 are playing passive pre and fit or fold on the flop. Buyed in for max, i have lost a medium pot (see hand history) an orbit before this hand.

History with Villain 1:

Played a lot of little Pots with V1 tonight, because he is so loose passive preflop and i want to punish him every time i can with position and a better range. The biggest pot beetween us right now:

V1 straddle 4, folded to me on Button and i Raise 16 with AJ, he is the only one who call.

Flop (36) : J86

V1 Check, I bet 24, V1 call.

Turn (84) : K

V1 Check, I bet 50, V1 Call

River (184) : 6
V1 Bet 44, I tank and think about a fold, but the price is too good and i make the crying call
Villain show A2 and i Muck my hand.

To The Hand:

V1 straddle 4, V2 call, Hero raises 20 on button with K3, blinds fold, V1 and V2 both call.

I think this is a good situation to raise and trying to isolate V1 in the hand. Game is 6Handed, the blinds are tight, I tought V2 is going to fold anyway and i can see a flop Heads Up in position with a hand that is better than average V1 calling range (70% or more of his hands). We are both deep too, so i think i have enough room post flop. I oviously dont go broke if i hit top pair. Also don´t advice me to fold pre like a nit.

Surprising V2 is calling too, but whatever. I range him 22-99, 67s+, ATs+ and maybe suited Broadways, but who knows. As said he is pretty tight.


FLOP (64) : 674

V1 and V2 check to me, I bet 40, both call.

This is one of the best flops that i can asking for. I take a lot of equity and i decide to bet, want to build a bigger pot and don´t let free cards for both villains. As preflop aggressor and with position i think this is the best move by far. Im´ not very surprised about V1 calling, i think im ahead on most of his calling range (he could easy call with 97o here) and i knew that he is going to call most of the time here. What surprises me is the call of villain 2, he had a lot tighter calling range on this flop, maybe 88-99, sets, 67s, Flush draws, maybe 89s. I don´t know how he plays his sets and 2pair here. I´m pretty sure he never had a weak hand like top pair hand in this spot after V1 is calling.

TURN (184): T

V1 and V2 checks, I Check behind.

The pot is getting big, and i have only 240€ behind. This is a bad card for me, as it could hit easily V1 range. I´m also a little worried of V2 range, if he played 2pair or a set slow he isn´t going to fold anyway. 89 also got there. I decide me for taking the free card, i have a lot of equity and position.
If i was Heads UP vs V1 or OOP in this hand i would probably pot flop and second barrel/GII OTT.


RIVER (184) : 9

V1 bets 44 (See Hand history), V2 calls (WTF), Hero Calls.

I hit my flush on the river, and V1 is now donk betting 44 on this river (see hand history). I think he is only value betting a made Flush or max a 8x for the straight in this spot (not sure about the latter one), or he is trying to bluff us out the pot after this dangerous runout. V2 is calling, and i think he is doing this only with a made flush or max 89s for the straight, but i´m not sure he is going to call flop with that hand. Anyways, he has 90% Flush and 10% 89s in this spot. Sets and 2 pair are going to be mucked here from this player for sure. As i said in the description V1 and V2 are friends, but i´m not sure if they are going to softplay eachtother. V2 could potentially call with A high flush here, but i don´t have any guarantee about it and maybe its just a nit thinking process of mine.



QUESTIONS:

1

Do you raise or only call river? and if raise, what sizing? I think i have completely missplayed this river and i had to raise it to 100-120, but at the moment i tought the only hands i can get value from are the worse flushes of villain 1, Villain 2 is folding all of his range exept the Ace high flush and the straight flush.. Normally i would assume V2 would raise these hands, but he is maybe softplaying villain1, but logically he is going to reraise these hands by self before it´s my turn. I played the river like a nit and only called. If i raise to 120 and V1 or V2 is going all in would hate my life because i think i´m beated but at the same time committed to the pot.

2

Would you play the other streets as i did? or would you play this hand faster?

Last edited by Twentythrees; 02-21-2017 at 10:28 PM.
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02-22-2017 , 11:46 AM
Pre is very debatable. I understand wanting to play V1, but not with this hand.

Bet the turn!

Based on the other hand, I see why you would want to just call river, and I'd probably do the same. However, V1 seems the type to call with a J- or Q-high flush (maybe worse), so we might be losing a little value. Would either of them bluff-raise the river w/ worse? If not, you might make it $100 total and see what happens. I totally understand the call, though.
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02-22-2017 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
Pre is very debatable. I understand wanting to play V1, but not with this hand.



Bet the turn!



Based on the other hand, I see why you would want to just call river, and I'd probably do the same. However, V1 seems the type to call with a J- or Q-high flush (maybe worse), so we might be losing a little value. Would either of them bluff-raise the river w/ worse? If not, you might make it $100 total and see what happens. I totally understand the call, though.


I think K3s is Good enough to Play vs a 70% Range. Plus Position plus the skill i give me post Flop against this Villain. I think V2 fold pre a lot Here, so there is also a Little dead Money in the pot. What is your typical raising Range Here?

If i were Heads up vs V1 i would for sure bombing Turn because his calling Range on the Flop is very wide, and he has a fold Button on Turn. But against Both Range and with Position i think Taking the free Card is a better Play, my Equity drop a lot on the Turn. OOP i would just pot Flop and GII on the Turn.
On the River yeah, i think a Mini value Raise fold to 100 is a better Play, and Here i have missplayed the Hand maybe.
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02-22-2017 , 01:51 PM
What happens when a K hits the flop and V1 bets or check/raises? What if he calls and a blank hits the turn and he bets? Also, there was another V in the hand, so you have to consider he might call.

You hit a great flop for your hand, hit your hand on the river, and it's still scary.

As to the turn, what range do you give V2? What's he continuing with on the turn? Once I 3bet pre, hit this flop and bet, and a basic blank comes on the turn -- and it's CHECKED to me, I'm betting again.
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02-22-2017 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
What happens when a K hits the flop and V1 bets or check/raises? What if he calls and a blank hits the turn and he bets? Also, there was another V in the hand, so you have to consider he might call.



You hit a great flop for your hand, hit your hand on the river, and it's still scary.



As to the turn, what range do you give V2? What's he continuing with on the turn? Once I 3bet pre, hit this flop and bet, and a basic blank comes on the turn -- and it's CHECKED to me, I'm betting again.


1) if a K Hits the Flop my Plan is ti go for max 1 Street of value. If he check to me i Check behind this Flop and evaluate if i should bet Turn. If he donkbetted Flop i Maybe just lay it down because he donk Betted me before 2 Times otf with TPTK Hand and i have no Kicker. If flop go Check Check and he is donkbetting Turn i would call one street and evaluate on River.


2) as i wrote i think villain 2 calling Range on the Flop Looks like This:
88-99, 67s, 89s, sets, flush draws
His continuing Range on this Turn is:
67s, 89s, Sets for sure
Maybe he Could continue with Hands like A9ss, A8ss, A5ss, T9ss, JTss, QTss, ATss but im not sure he is calling with These Hands. Versus such a Range i Dont have a lot of Equity and no foldequity as well. Position is King and against the Range i give V2 After calling Flop i take the free Card. As Said vs V1 Heads up i would Second Barrel all day this Turn.


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Last edited by Twentythrees; 02-22-2017 at 02:54 PM.
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02-22-2017 , 02:56 PM
And again, what is your raising Range preflop Here?


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02-22-2017 , 03:15 PM
Raise the river
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02-22-2017 , 03:22 PM
My 3bet (or raise depending on how you look at the straddle) range does not include KXs, unless it's AK or KQ, maybe KJ. AXs, AJ+, 88+. I want to have V1 dominated and I don't want to have to fold top pair on most flops I want to be able to get away from hands that I'm most likely behind on and I want to crush him when I have the nuts. I also don't want to have the third nuts on the river and have to question whether I should raise.

Plus, we have V2. Whether you think he's going to call or not, he is in the hand. Most limpers I play with don't limp/fold for $20 with V1 in the hand, especially when they have position on V1.
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02-23-2017 , 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
My 3bet (or raise depending on how you look at the straddle) range does not include KXs, unless it's AK or KQ, maybe KJ. AXs, AJ+, 88+. I want to have V1 dominated and I don't want to have to fold top pair on most flops I want to be able to get away from hands that I'm most likely behind on and I want to crush him when I have the nuts. I also don't want to have the third nuts on the river and have to question whether I should raise.



Plus, we have V2. Whether you think he's going to call or not, he is in the hand. Most limpers I play with don't limp/fold for $20 with V1 in the hand, especially when they have position on V1.


That is a very tight raising Range. Are you telling me you are Not raising Other suited broadways in this Spot? What about 56s+ ,55+, 86s+? We have Position and a better Hand Range than V1, V2 is going to Play fit or fold anyway Also Not a big Issue on the Flop. The blinds are Tight and Stacks are Good so we have enough room postflop to Play some Poker. I think in this Spot we should loose our Range a lot more, it help our Image in the Session a lot and if we have skill we can put it to work. That Range is imho too nitty Here




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02-23-2017 , 04:54 AM
Shove the river. Easy game.
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02-23-2017 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Twentythrees
That Range is imho too nitty Here
Then you should be shoving this river w/o a second thought.
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02-23-2017 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
Then you should be shoving this river w/o a second thought.


Yeah, otr i have missplaYed


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02-23-2017 , 05:31 PM
4th nuts*
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