Effective stacks 310
Villain in SB:280
Villain in BB: 300

This hand takes place a few hours into the session. Both villains in the hand are pretty tight. Hero is viewed as a tight competent player. Villains are friends.

2 limpers, I limp button with 64cc(should fold but was slightly tilted).

Blinds both check.

Flop 457

SB checks, BB bets 11, folds to me, I raise 35.

SB flats, BB ALL IN.

I???

Don't go broke in a limped pot without the nuts. Since you flopped the nuts, call.

I don't think you know what the nuts means.

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OESFD + pair = nuts

It sucks being up against two described tight players and not having any ability to manufacture folds with our huge draw. We've had that option taken away from us by the large raise from BB. So while our hand doesn't lose any equity, we lose some of the benefits of having a big draw.

You've got under $40 invested into the hand.... Now you're looking at calling around $260ish into a pot of $370ish. If we range the BB at something like [Sets, Straights, A3, A2, 75] you're basically a 45/55 dog.

Now lets assume SB comes along after you and they have funky stuff like [weird combo draws, or pair + backdoor draws, big flush draws, etc] Your equity in the hand could easily drop near 30%. SB would be looking to pay $245ish into a pot of $580ish. Who knows if they tag along. Probably not?

Obviously at the table you can't play with ranges and figure out your equity but you should be able to quickly guesstimate your pot odds and a rough idea of your equity. So now that you're away from the table I'd tinker with the guesswork ranges above (you know these players best) and do some math and figure out if you should call or not. Next time at the table it might make situations like this not necessarily easier, but, give you more confidence at the table.

+1 never folding, ship the nickels.

If you are behind the raiser's range getting poor odds it can be a fold. So if this is set or straight or two over clubs as range it can be a fold. Even two overs has eleven outs. Shipping to call is not the same as raising all in.No fold equity. Those who say ship it please tell me perceived range of the raiser.

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Thanks for the solid input. Would you happen to know how to do the math with those given ranges?

SB flatting is likely either another flush draw ( which most recs won't put in all there money with, and I seriously doubt he's trapping on the wet board ) or some pair+ hands that include a 6, and possibly a bare 6. BB is seemingly 2p+ here (45, 57, 55, less likely 44, and possibly 77, with the possibility of a flopped straight) I don't think the BB shows up with a FD here too often, and there's always the chance he has the lower straight. We're def super live and I have no problem getting it in here vs BB, if the SB tags along too for some reason, although I don't think he will, I feel less confident about our outs.

You want to know how to do the maths in theory note or how to estimate it approximately the table?

Off top of my head you are 0.4 v set which he can have 7 ways you have blocker. You are 0.4 v the top straight that he can have 12 ways, including your chance to chop. Against two overs you must be favorite as he has 11 outs twice (only 5 clubs him unless has sf blocker himself) but you have some redraws. Probably you are 0.7. Maybe there are about 25 sensible ways he can have two clubs.

So multiply the combos by the probabilities then divide by total combos and have the answer. Compare this to the pot odds you have.

I'm sure my odds are out a bit as I am doing this in my head....

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Against a range of all sets, top two pair, nut straight, and A8cc/AKcc/AQcc, you have 48%. Even removing the Axcc combos you have 47%.

This is probably wrong but at the table I would figure there are 9 outs two the flush, 8 to the straight and 2 to the set. Two of your straight cards are clubs, so net I have 17 outs. Which is about 34% chance of drawing something per draw. With two draws, the odds are ever in your favor.

But there's a fudge factor.

BB is atc pre and is likely 2p+ now. We are ok against his range.

SB may well be on a flush draw, of which there is only one combo you beat. There's some dead money in the pot that in part compensates for that risk.

With that stack size at 2/2, and no further action, I would find it hard to fold here.

Remember the house redraws hurt you. It might be a fold if he only has sets, 2p or straight but call if we add any draws the range. I think we need about 40pc equity to call if other villain folds? OP do you think he can have a draw?

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^^^

Sorry misread that. Am surprised the equity is so high but assume you stoved it so you are of course correct. I guess we have more outs v two pair and there are more combos of two pair than sets. So then yes has to be a call.

The only possible mega disaster must be if the other guy calls and one bloke the straight and other has the clubs. Then you must be crushed.

Very interesting.

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I ended up calling and hit my flush on the river to take it down. SB had the 63 for the 2nd nuts and BB had the 86 for the nuts. Nice bink for me to take down a close to 1k pot.
Would still love to see the math broken down if someone would be so kind.

Being results orientated this was a positive ev call as there was eventually dead money from the low straight.

To do the maths...

First range the opps. With two opps this is harder so assume the other guy folds for simplicity, just the exercise

Work out number of ways they can have each hand. Can you are why there are seven ways to have a set for example?

Work out the probability you win v each hand. E.g. v a set you win if you hit a straight or flush and he doesn't fill up, or can just the straight flush and not care. Also some unlikely things like you hit quads but ignoring this doesn't lose much accuracy. Remember that if you are working out odds v set you have seen three flop cards, two in your hand and two in his. So there are 45 left.

Then add it all together and divide by the number of total combos.

Compare this to the pot odds.

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The way i see it is and easy decision even if you "kind of flop the nuts":

When Villan 1 and Villan 2 open their card you must assign them 2 holdings between this bunch:
Overpair to your 4, straight, flush draw, set, 2 pair, unlikely 2 overcards.

Best and only case senario is Villan 1 show a pair and Villan 2 shows overcards in witch case HERO has (maybe) all his 20 out clean. (How bad villan 1 and 2 have to be???)
Any other 2 pick make you behind at best and way behind at worst.

I been in this situation before and is very important for your equity to push 1 player out of the pot and play only against the overpair (2 pair or set) or only against the naked flush draw. 3 way all in is very unprofitable and sometimes you might be drawing very thin!!!

Live poker u can not do all this assunption as fast but even if your hand crushes the board you must ask yourself if you win a 3 way race with it.
U want to go for it??? Do it but you are clearly gambling. When they open their card i don't see in witch situation you can be proud of yourself.....

Heads up I ship instantly.

If you forsee 3 way all in FOLD unless you feel like gambling!!!

SHOVE and get there on the river