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2/2 bottom two, straddled pot. All options suck 2/2 bottom two, straddled pot. All options suck

01-29-2014 , 03:02 AM
Tuesday 1 am, hero arrived 5 mins ago. Table seems to be incredibly boring but I'm trying to loosen them up a little bit.

V1 (sb, 280) is a silent dude, plays nitty in general from what I've seen in previous sessions. Especially preflop. Can get out of line post however not too often.

V2 (irrelevant) is a station.
V3 (~60eu) is a station
Hero covers all.

Hero straddles utg w/ 4h2x. 5 calls, H checks.

Flop 942hxh, 2 checks hero leads 16, v2 & v3 flat. V1 counts out chips and raises to 52. Bb folds.
Hero hates life and?

So up until the raise I figured i had the nuts. This spot made me pretty sick as his valuerange is pretty much non-existent (he never has 94/92/42, raises 9s preflop). However i hold 4h myself. I saw v3 counting out chips to jam (58 total).
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01-29-2014 , 03:07 AM
As played, I'm making it like 150 and calling everything.

He probably doesn't have two pair, and there's only one combo of 44/22. With this board and this many players, it's safe to say we can expect villain to raise his sets. However this is probably 9x/JJ, TT, FDs enough to warrant getting it in here

And fwiw - straddling is usually a good way to burn money. And a table that "looks boring" probably isn't one of the rare times it's +EV
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01-29-2014 , 03:12 AM
straddling UTG is one of the most -EV moves in poker. just stop doing this and you won't find yourself in this position.
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01-29-2014 , 03:31 AM
All in option doesn't suck, so all in
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01-29-2014 , 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by IbelieveinChipKelly
straddling UTG is one of the most -EV moves in poker. just stop doing this and you won't find yourself in this position.
Yes.

Because there is a 0% chance that this situation could happen if you are in the BB.
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01-29-2014 , 04:03 AM
It looks to me in this spot like V probably just has a slow played overpair, call and stack him on pretty much any turn? I like this spot, how often is a villain like this limping 92, 94? seems unlikely... I take a cooler vs a set in stride here any day and move on to the next hand.
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01-29-2014 , 04:04 AM
nvm, didn't catch that there was flush draw on board, yeah, jam or make commitment raise here
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01-29-2014 , 04:16 AM
Straddling is so ****ing lame I hate it. There's nothing positive about straddling or checking in the dark. Once I see people do one of the two, I cast my line and wait for them to bite.

As played... When in doubt, shove it out. Jam.
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01-29-2014 , 05:57 AM
So what can we put villain on, assuming he's never bluffing here? A5s just might be in his range, hes definitely folding 53 pre. Also def raising 99+
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01-29-2014 , 06:07 AM
Also i hope you guys arent as nitty in real life as you are when it comes to poker. Straddling can definitely be profitable depending on the table and I find it good for the game.
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01-29-2014 , 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Barbra Streisand
So what can we put villain on, assuming he's never bluffing here? A5s just might be in his range, hes definitely folding 53 pre. Also def raising 99+
Why do you assume he's always raising 99+ from the SB in a straddled pot? I see people limp those hands in straddled pots all the time hoping that the straddler will raise, get multiple callers, and then jam or 3b. Seems most common with AK and JJ. His range should be something like 99+, A9, Axhh, 22/44, but you were at the table so what do you think his range is? You only have $20 in, folding is always an option if you don't want to push it, but calling seems bad since you will probably get two callers behind a lot of the time and have no idea where you are on the turn.
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01-29-2014 , 09:08 AM
Does he have a 'read' on you from previous?

I think this is a decent pot to take down or go with right here by 3-betting quite large. If you just flat then the other 2 players may come along priced in nicely and you have quite a bit to worry about.

You of course are only crushed by sets here for a nit ... but he is the SB in this hand so it could be anything.

3-bet large>min-raise/fold to shove>>>>>>>call>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fold
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01-29-2014 , 02:43 PM
he's got 9x or a flush draw often enough to raise and get it in here.
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01-29-2014 , 04:20 PM
Even though you are bringing up ranges I feel this could also be 1010+ looking for a limp reraise and then trying to get some info on the flop.

I would just GII you are way ahead of flush draws and overpairs that won't fold to a shove, and only behind a flopped set (which you hold many blockers to all besides 9s) and based on the fact I don't see a semi nitty dude limping 94 or 92 in his position.
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01-29-2014 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Barbra Streisand
Also i hope you guys arent as nitty in real life as you are when it comes to poker. Straddling can definitely be profitable depending on the table and I find it good for the game.
Short handed, yes. In a full 9 ring game? No. I don't think it is profitable. At all, unless you are LAG.

Explain how this is profitable. Not trying to troll, I just feel it's such an unnecessary and unprofitable move it should be taken out of your "weapons" unless we are playing for fun
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01-29-2014 , 09:27 PM
wouldn't be surprised if he had a combo draw, I would probably call the flop, and shove a non heart turn
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01-29-2014 , 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Barbra Streisand
Also i hope you guys arent as nitty in real life as you are when it comes to poker. Straddling can definitely be profitable depending on the table and I find it good for the game.
You said;

"Hero arrived 5 minutes ago, game looks incredibly boring"

Straddling is hugely -EV in probably around 90-95% of games, and even in those 5-10%, only select players can make it profitable.

Your own description doesn't make it sound like a game where it's profitable.
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01-30-2014 , 04:35 AM
V has to be c/r a minimum of all NFDs and FD + SDs for a stack off to be ok.
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01-30-2014 , 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Barbra Streisand
Also i hope you guys arent as nitty in real life as you are when it comes to poker. Straddling can definitely be profitable depending on the table and I find it good for the game.
completely agree

this is a pretty sick hand because there is almost always a flush draw present, but which one of them has it? If the two behind are calling and the SB is raising, they can't have that many flush draws, if V3 has a flush draw, then wtf does V1 have?

the good news is that they never have you beat behind, so I dunno, think you have to go with it and raise
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