Hey I've just got back into playing again after taking a 2 year break. Just wanted to check on my play/thought process in this certain hand of 2-100 Spread Limit.


Villain 1 (SB) - Unknown MAWG who just sat down a little bit before the hand. I don't have any read on him other then one hand that he played sorta aggressive with TP no kicker. Stacks about ~250

Villain 2 (BB) - Pretty Laggy asian man who has several times tried and failed at bluffing the river. Seemed to like action. Really pounces on perceived weakness, hence the failed river bluffs. He has a large stack, ~600

Hero (BTN) - Younger male, had been playing tight most of the night so far, hadn't really gotten mixed up in any pots. Stack ~200

Preflop:
Im on BTN w/ J8 UTG limped in, CO limps, Hero limps, in Villain 1 completes, and Villain 2 checks

I'm fine calling here in position with a decent chance to see the flop.

Flop: Pot ~10
A108

SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets 4, Villain 1 raises to 10, Villain 2 calls, UTG folds, Co folds, Hero Calls.

It's checked to me and i bet out a really dumpy 4$ bet. I bet because everyone seemed really disinterested in the hand, i've seen several hands play out like this where this small bet scoops the pot. Villain 1's check raise doesn't really scare me all that much since it was so small that it doesn't really change much, when villain 2 called it gave me the odds to draw. If i miss i give up.

Turn: Pot ~40
6

Villain 1 checks, villain 2 checks, Hero checks.

Well huzzah we hit our flush, and I play it passively. The more I've thought about this the less confident I feel about checking here, my initial thought process is that my hand is kinda under-rep'd but i don't give these guys that much credit on thinking on that level. I felt almost positive that if I checked here, and Villain 1 doesn't check that Villain 2 would stab at the pot and I would raise then.

River: Pot ~40
4

Villain 1 checks, Villain 2 bets 18, Hero calls, Villain 1 folds.

Am I missing value here by not raising??? I've been wondering since the hand finished if I'm supposed to raise here considering villain 2 did exactly what I thought he was going to do. I felt with villain 1 still to act behind me that raising would put me in a situation where nothing worse is really calling and im only getting raised by better, plus the possibility that he's making a small bet like this hoping for calls w/Kor Q. Also maybe calling could sucker villain 1 into calling with some garbage or lesser flushes if I do happen to be good. I also think folding is never an option but if you think I'm wrong please let me know.

I feel like my reasoning behind everything was pretty sound but like I said, I just came back to poker and this is the 3rd session I have played since.

Thanks in advance for the replies

Dear god why are you not betting the turn

Bet more on the flop. Have to bet the turn, have to. River is only a flat, not raising.

Bet the turn. That is where you are missing value. You really can't raise the river and expect to be called by worse.

I would also raise pre, limping and trying to hit a hand with J8s is not great, unless table never folds before the turn, making it 12+ pre gives you more ways to win the pot and it punish the limpers.

But wait... I thought there was no FE in LLSNL?! So we should bluff on top of bluff.

Don't fall into the poker cliche trap.

What?

There is no FE when Vs have a hand. Open limping generally means a weak range and hitting a hand with a weak range is hard..

Edit: I am never limping J8s on the BU. Raising/folding are both better plays.

bet $30 on turn and call river.

I agree with kekee,(on PF raise) prob. should have raised pre when everyone else folded to you.