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01-20-2014 , 07:42 PM
1-2 NL 300 max buy in at the V.

Hero: literally just sat down. First hand no chips. Came with my buddy who is seated to my left. He is playing just for fun he bought in for 100. Hero bought in for 300. We probably look like clueless mid 20s kids just here to gamble.

V: early 20s hipster kid with Justin bieber haircut. Shuffling chips constantly with a super serious look on his face. He's trying to give off the vibe that he plays for keeps. Stack 240

Hero looks down at KJ in the high jack. Unopened no limpers hero makes it 11 to go. V calls from bb.

Flop J3Q

V checks I check. I check for deception, pot control. With a pretty dry board I feel like this is a spot where I am either way ahead or behind. With 0 reads on V I think checking here gets me 2 streets of value from worse where cbetting will usually only get 1.

Turn K

Now some draws are out, v should have a piece of the board here calling oop from the bb. He checks I bet 15 for value. V raises to 45. I would make this move if I were him with any kind of draws and maybe turn some weak pairs into bluffs. I have 2 pair after acting weak this is an easy call. Could make a case for raising but with no reads I like a call. Never folding.

River 6.

V fires 100. Hero?
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01-20-2014 , 07:47 PM
just call. You're not getting value from a a shove, as it's rare he's calling with a worse hand. Really, the only thing he has here that you beat is AK and a bluff.

Hell, I could even be talked into a fold, but I probably wouldn't.
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01-20-2014 , 07:55 PM
I really don't like facing his turn c/r. That K smacks our perceived range after raising pre and not c-betting the flop, and he doesn't seem to fear AK. V's are less likely to semibluff draws OTT than OTF. He'd likely call 15 if he picked up a FD. I think KQ, AT, 9T and 33 are conceivable holdings for V. Given we are IP, I may call and r/e river but then what if it bricks and he fires? Oh wait, that's what happens.
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01-20-2014 , 07:57 PM
Meh call. Not happy but can't fold
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01-20-2014 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by jsmo0th10
1-2 NL 300 max buy in at the V.

Hero: literally just sat down. First hand no chips. Came with my buddy who is seated to my left. He is playing just for fun he bought in for 100. Hero bought in for 300. We probably look like clueless mid 20s kids just here to gamble.

V: early 20s hipster kid with Justin bieber haircut. Shuffling chips constantly with a super serious look on his face. He's trying to give off the vibe that he plays for keeps. Stack 240
Turn is great, our hand is under-repped, our line of going for 2 streets of value just got sweeter. continue as planned.

River raise would be spewy w/o nutted hands.

I would need a better in depth read on Villains play style/calling range pre- before I give him credit for hand better then ours here.

definitely can see folding, but V's description, to me it looks like he's Repping Table Captain Status and trying to test the new player.

smooth call and scoop the pot

Last edited by GuessWhat21; 01-20-2014 at 08:09 PM. Reason: ;
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01-20-2014 , 08:15 PM
Very nit-picky but I probably open smaller.

On the flop I am fine with a check but for "deception" is kind of silly. We are not deceiving many villains at this level. Just go for value when you have the opportunity. they aren't very deep thinkers.

On the turn I think you should be betting closer to pot. You have reallly really really fat value here, take it. When villain x/rs I think we an be FAIRLY certain it's not a made hand once flop goes x/x and he x's turn. I'm fine flatting. I guess some straights make sense... it's just such an odd line to take for value...

River I think is a call for the same reasons as the turn. Raising is a little spewy and sometimes he has the oddly played nuts... If he checked flop and turn in order to x/r turn after you x through flop then he's an idiot and you'll win later
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01-20-2014 , 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jsmo0th10
1-2 NL 300 max buy in at the V.

Hero: literally just sat down. First hand no chips. Came with my buddy who is seated to my left. He is playing just for fun he bought in for 100. Hero bought in for 300. We probably look like clueless mid 20s kids just here to gamble.
Plus we have to take into account V's read on us. I would definitely not put you on a hand as strong as yours If i just saw you take a seat with a buddy.
The check on the flop attempting for 2 streets of value tells me you are a much deeper thinking player then your perceived image to our Stubborn Villain.

I think we are good but, cannot raise River here without getting called by only better a lot.
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01-20-2014 , 08:32 PM
Grunch:

So you say that there aren't really a lot of draws on the flop, and you are way ahead/way behind.
And that if you check the flop, you will get called on the turn and river by worse.
Why do you think that he will all of a sudden call with JT on the turn and river but won't call on the flop and river? It's your first hand at the table, you're likely more likely to get called when you fire out as people rarely believe the new player.

I'd just go ahead and bet the flop, but whatever.

As for the turn, bet is fine, and I suppose that I'd likely call the raise but I'm not too happy about it.
I'd also call the river, but once again I'm not happy. I think he can be raising here with some 2p hands. But you will certainly see T9 here some of the time I think.
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01-20-2014 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by fatmanonguitar
I really don't like facing his turn c/r. That K smacks our perceived range after raising pre and not c-betting the flop, and he doesn't seem to fear AK. V's are less likely to semibluff draws OTT than OTF. He'd likely call 15 if he picked up a FD. I think KQ, AT, 9T and 33 are conceivable holdings for V. Given we are IP, I may call and r/e river but then what if it bricks and he fires? Oh wait, that's what happens.

That range likely leads turn rather than check after hero checked backed flop.
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01-20-2014 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
Grunch:

Why do you think that he will all of a sudden call with JT on the turn and river but won't call on the flop and river? It's your first hand at the table, you're likely more likely to get called when you fire out as people rarely believe the new player.
Exactly, which is why Villain's line makes more sense as a bluff, no? His hand cannot just call us down if we barrel.
Ap, V's x flop and x/r on the turn, silly line if he's going for value,imo. Which is why V x/r's turn and fires river seem weak..
because of that, I am thinking to myself that his hand isn't strong. Or Villain has us beat, his game isn't strong.

Last edited by GuessWhat21; 01-20-2014 at 09:20 PM. Reason: miswrote thought/ grammar
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01-20-2014 , 09:05 PM
This feels like AT or T9 and BBV is thataway. --------->
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01-20-2014 , 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
Grunch:

So you say that there aren't really a lot of draws on the flop, and you are way ahead/way behind.
And that if you check the flop, you will get called on the turn and river by worse.
Why do you think that he will all of a sudden call with JT on the turn and river but won't call on the flop and river? It's your first hand at the table, you're likely more likely to get called when you fire out as people rarely believe the new player.

I'd just go ahead and bet the flop, but whatever..
Yea I think I like betting the flop here and was wondering if I misplayed that. A very high percentage of the time I'm cbetting here with reads but my first hand I just decided to check to get my 2 streets in later. Mostly due to dry board. I see a lot of Vs spazz here on the turn with underpairs or straight air here and was planning to call turn and riv on favorable run outs. Giving him a chance to spazz or put money in the pot, due to my perceived weakness, with a hand he might be check folding on the flop.

Also didn't want to get x/r on flop. For all i know he could be a maniac. Wanted to see his turn action.

Good post iraise and good input from everyone else. Pretty standard spot just weird due to the fact I just sat down. Wanted to share. Results shortly

Last edited by jsmo0th10; 01-20-2014 at 11:39 PM.
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01-21-2014 , 12:29 AM
call

i wouldve played it the exact same way

also his river bet is polarizing, either a10 109 or some type of missed draw

doubt he has kq or a set, call and if beat:nh
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01-21-2014 , 12:36 AM
Bet flop. Fold river.
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01-21-2014 , 03:45 AM
Bet flop if you think he's more likely to call with worse. Check flop if you think he's more likely to bluff with air on later streets.

Call river because our hand looks like AK a lot of the time and he could be value owning himself with worse 2 pairs.
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01-21-2014 , 03:55 AM
Call. Nh wp.
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01-21-2014 , 04:07 AM
He's young, he's got hair, he shuffles his chips and he has a serious demeanour. He must be bluffing.
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01-21-2014 , 01:02 PM
Flop check is fps imo. Against 3-4 V's, I'd likely check 2nd pair, but heads-up we've got the best hand allot here. AT, KT, 89, 9T...these are all hands that Bieber could be defending his blind with, and all hands we do NOT want to give free cards to.
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01-21-2014 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bulls_horn
Flop check is fps imo. Against 3-4 V's, I'd likely check 2nd pair, but heads-up we've got the best hand allot here. AT, KT, 89, 9T...these are all hands that Bieber could be defending his blind with, and all hands we do NOT want to give free cards to.
I like this insight, fps. This is making me start to believe we are't as super strong as original thought, as played Id still call, hand is under-repped.

But, not overly surprised if V tables winner.
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01-21-2014 , 04:46 PM
I'm fine with flop check and make crying call every time on river.
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01-21-2014 , 05:29 PM
Should have bet flop. I still probably get x/r on turn. Makes river an easy fold.

Results: Hero tank calls V shows 910. Should be an easy fold with the river bomb since I'm only beating QJ and bluffs. But it was hard for me to find the fold button against bieber with 0 reads

Biebers never bluff
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