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150bb put in gross spot vs aggro villain 150bb put in gross spot vs aggro villain

04-22-2013 , 04:08 AM
Villain is playing lots of hands, and winning a lot. I'm relatively new to the table and he's been in a lot of them and is being selectively super aggressive. I've seen him lose a stack and rebuy and then get stack to over 550 in 30 minutes. Mid 30's hat low. I think he's decent player and not just a donk on a hot streak even if a bit loose, because he probably plays all live.

Hero plays LAG and has a 150bb stack after playing in a few hands with villain and folding without showdown to his aggressiveness.

Straddles up folds to Villain in CO who raises to $16

Hero ($312) Jh Jd raises to $42 folds around to villain who calls

Pot: ($89)

Flop: 3s 4h 7s

Villain checks

Hero bets $65

Villain calls

Pot: $219

Turn: Qh

Villain puts in a stack to put me all in ($205)

Hero?
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04-22-2013 , 04:16 AM
I'm assuming this is a button straddle, otherwise positions make no sense. I thought most northern casinos didn't believe in the "mississippi straddle", so I'm confused.
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04-22-2013 , 05:16 AM
No UTG straddle, Villain is CO, I'm on the BTN.
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04-22-2013 , 06:41 AM
The question you need to ask is what's he doing this with? The only thing i can see that you beat is some pair+straight+flush draw type hand, or just the naked flush draw. Apart from that i don't see what we beat that does this.
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04-22-2013 , 12:44 PM
I probably just call this off. If he binked a Q with s, so be it, but I think you're ahead a lot.
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04-22-2013 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by hfrog355
I probably just call this off. If he binked a Q with s, so be it, but I think you're ahead a lot.
What are you ranging him on when he calls the flop then open shoves the turn?
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04-22-2013 , 01:36 PM
You're up against a monster or a combo draw imo. Without a further read, I think you can fold here and just find a better spot. Weird spot, but what can you really be ahead of in terms of his value range? Yes his line makes no sense, and I can understand why a call is warranted, but again, I think it comes down to just having a better read on him. Do you remember specific hands that he has played? I'm assuming not because it sounds like you don't have much history with him. I think it's a long stretch that he's doing that with 7x or 88-1010.
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04-22-2013 , 01:38 PM
raise more pre: 55-60 or even more. basically pot flop. ott youre committed.

but as it stands, its a puke fold. i dont see what we can beat from his range. would he call with kq or aq otf? qxss looks like the most obvious.
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04-22-2013 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by llllllll
What are you ranging him on when he calls the flop then open shoves the turn?
Since OP has less than a PSB remaining, c/r is never going to get him to fold. If V needs to get folds, he will make this play with 100% of his range. V is said to be playing a lot of hands, so I'll take a whack at ranging him like this:

33-TT
A X
K X
Q X
34
45
46
56
57
67
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04-22-2013 , 01:44 PM
He's just never making this move with one pair worse than a J. I think he's on a set, the made straight or a Q. It's a pretty easy fold. You've got 32% pot odds and you're never ever good here 32% of the time. The draw is a tiny part of his range. If he's on 67 etc why is he gonna wait for the turn to jam where he's got worse odds to draw to? Surely he'd get it in at the highest point of value for himself? Also why's he gonna raise massive preflop with those hands? I think he's got a Q. Actually a set fearing the draw makes sense too.

Last edited by llllllll; 04-22-2013 at 01:50 PM.
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04-22-2013 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by llllllll
He's just never making this move with one pair worse than a J. I think he's on a set, the made straight or a Q Re-read the description of Villain. He does not need the nuts or near nuts to put in money.. It's a pretty easy fold. You've got 32% pot odds and you're never ever good here 32% of the time. The draw is a tiny part of his range You're talking as if there is only one draw. There are two and with such a coordinated board, V can easily have a large part of both of them.. If he's on 67 etc why is he gonna wait for the turn to jam where he's got worse odds to draw to Because he can increase his fold equity with a scare card. Because he can get more folds out of FDs when it misses the turn. Because a c/r OTF is going to look way more FOS than potting the turn. It's also important to note that this isn't a shove for the V.? Surely he'd get it in at the highest point of value for himself? You're making a logical assumption about the V that the information you've been given can't support. Also why's he gonna raise massive preflop with those handsV didn't raise massive preflop. Tons of deep 1/2 games feature regular raises in this range. V is described as being on a heater and since we know nothing else about him, you can't assume this isn't normal for him. The guy busted a stack and then tripled a 100bb BI (assumption by me) in a half hour. Do you think he did that making it $8 PF?? I think he's got a Q . Actually a set fearing the draw makes sense too .
Thoughts in red.
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04-22-2013 , 02:05 PM
You're weighting him towards air or worse than we have. For him to be passive and then BAM on a Q. Q isn't exactly a scare card considering the board and fact that hero can easily have it himself.
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04-22-2013 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by llllllll
You're weighting him towards air or worse than we have. For him to be passive and then BAM on a Q. Q isn't exactly a scare card considering the board and fact that hero can easily have it himself.
No, I'm just giving him a wide range. OP's hand is basically face up for what it is. If V is super aggressive (which he is described as being) and thinks OP can fold an overpair to the flop, this is an easy board to turn up the heat.

I know Q isn't exactly a scare card, but many players see an over card hit and assume (not necessarily incorrectly) opponents will fold because of it.

If anything this feels like a player on a rush throwing around a big stack looking for folds. Saying V needs a set+ to make this bet is wrong IMO.
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04-22-2013 , 02:43 PM
Fair enough. I think we can fold and not feel too bad about it with our underpair.
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04-22-2013 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by llllllll
Q isn't exactly a scare card
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Originally Posted by llllllll
I think we can fold and not feel too bad about it with our underpair.
So the Q is a scare card then.
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04-22-2013 , 02:56 PM
LOL at you trying to be clever. I was talking from villain's perspective. If you think a Q is a 'scare' card on that board then w/e. If you think villain see's a Q and goes 'YES, great card to shove all in on' then....i dunno, i guess i'm really bad at poker or something cause i don't agree. You've quoted me twice, once where i was talking from villains perspective and one where i'm talking from hero's perspective.

Bit of a fail for you really.
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04-22-2013 , 03:02 PM
This is a lot closer to a call that IIIIIII makes it for the reasons advocated by hfrog. This villain can bluff, the board didn't seem to hit their range that hard (especially on the flop), we are supposedly playing LAG (implying our range after cbetting on the flop isn't that strong), there are plenty of semi bluffs in their range, and the Q is a scare card.

I think it's a crying call based on the information presented in the OP.
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04-22-2013 , 03:02 PM
Looks like a call to me. If he has Q9ss+ then you are crushed, but other than you have to be good here at least 1/3 of the time. He can't have a flopped straight or set very often with the check/call on flop with such a wet board.
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04-22-2013 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by llllllll
LOL at you trying to be clever. I was talking from villain's perspective. If you think a Q is a 'scare' card on that board then w/e. If you think villain see's a Q and goes 'YES, great card to shove all in on' then....i dunno, i guess i'm really bad at poker or something cause i don't agree. You've quoted me twice, once where i was talking from villains perspective and one where i'm talking from hero's perspective.

Bit of a fail for you really.
? The Q is a good scare card vs. 7x/88-JJ. It's a rather good barrel card, actually.
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04-22-2013 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by hfrog355
Since OP has less than a PSB remaining, c/r is never going to get him to fold. If V needs to get folds, he will make this play with 100% of his range. V is said to be playing a lot of hands, so I'll take a whack at ranging him like this:

33-TT
A X
K X
Q X
34
45
46
56
57
67
No Axhh?
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04-22-2013 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by llllllll
LOL at you trying to be clever. I was talking from villain's perspective. If you think a Q is a 'scare' card on that board then w/e. If you think villain see's a Q and goes 'YES, great card to shove all in on' then....i dunno, i guess i'm really bad at poker or something cause i don't agree. You've quoted me twice, once where i was talking from villains perspective and one where i'm talking from hero's perspective.

Bit of a fail for you really.
Sounds like you ought to write with more clarity when you decide to switch the perspective you are speaking from.
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04-22-2013 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by dmoney1151
No Axhh?
Would have to be pretty narrow to A2, A5 and A6, right? c/c with A9hh or something doesn't make much sense.
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04-22-2013 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by spiked
You're up against a monster or a combo draw imo. Without a further read, I think you can fold here and just find a better spot. Weird spot, but what can you really be ahead of in terms of his value range? Yes his line makes no sense, and I can understand why a call is warranted, but again, I think it comes down to just having a better read on him. Do you remember specific hands that he has played? I'm assuming not because it sounds like you don't have much history with him. I think it's a long stretch that he's doing that with 7x or 88-1010.
My history with him is that he's put in monster raises that I've folded to. This isn't just with me, but it seems like he's read an Ed Miller book or 5.
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04-22-2013 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by llllllll
Fair enough. I think we can fold and not feel too bad about it with our underpair.
If I folded and was wrong I'd feel bad about it the way V is taking pots.
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04-22-2013 , 04:24 PM
sick spot

you'd expect this type of guy to go nuts on the flop with some sort of combo draw and sets

i guess QsXs makes sense, jamming because he's never folding and might find some fe vs ur range?

clueless on what to do
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