Lmk what you guys think..
Live 2/5 at best bet jax

Stacks
V1- 1100 Solid Asian player
V2- 700 better than average contractor
Hero- 1700

Hero is OTB with AKo
Utg+1 (v1)raises to 25, hijack(v2)calls, hero 3bet to 100, call, call

(307) flop k95 rainbow
Check, check, hero raises 200
V1 fold v2 call

(707) turn Q Board still rainbow
V2 check, hero shoves, v2 call

Here the main hand I’m worried about is KQ and maybe 99. I feel like this guy would’ve 3bet QQ pre and folded JT to the 4x 3bet (although with another preflop caller maybe he continues with JTs here).

A small bet is still half his remaining stack and a check looks really weak. What else can I do here but shove?

(1507) river T

Board k95qt


I guess my main question is.. is this turn shove my only play?

Standard and well played. Turn jam is good. Slightly bigger pre imo

Seems kind of big on flop no? I mean not a huge deal since I'd bet 150 here.

Turn kind of blows, but there's just 0.6 pots left, so jam it in and get value from some stuff.

nh; wp.

What does shoving turn accomplish that can’t be replicated on the river?

Do you really think we are going to stack KJ here with a turn shove.

Check back turn and fold to a river shove.

What JohnnyBuz said.

We would be shoving into 2 players on the dryest of boards after taking a really strong line with what is essentially the bottom of our range at this point. Anybody with a brain is folding worse and probably needs a pretty strong hand to get to this turn anyway.

Your name is Ishipit, so you had no choice, man!

Be that as it may, this feels a bit like an overplay, mainly because of the flop bet (it's a bet, not a raise). I just think 200 is way too big on this dry flop. In fact, I'd already have the feeling I'm beat if I get called here, believe it or not. 1/3 pot seems a lot better. On the turn the Q makes it even worse. Check behind and evaluate river. Most likely fold if villain bets/shoves.

you 3-bet pre and got called on a 2/3's pot size flop bet
V2 only has $400 left and pot now at $700 so shove ok
if V2 had you covered I would expect to be beat and check fold

V2 OTT has 400 and pot is 700, pretty standard to put him all in but the board is rainbow so you really don't have to, you could wait until the river and see what he does

Sorry if he had a set or KQ

once you bink the flop and the pot is already 300, you are never getting away from AK for his stack size.

Did you overbet such a dry flop? A bit. but if you check the flop and V shoves, are you going to fold? Most likely not.

So ignoring the bad runout, you are not getting away from this hand.

This is probably the most helpful post I’ve read on this situation. That’s really the only hand that I beat in his range here that beats me on the river. KJ, well KQ and TT I suppose too. Yes maybe a lot of you wouldn’t have KJ in his range here. But after watching him call 4 out 5 3bets oop earlier in the day I’m definitely keeping kj in his range.

I guess my thinking was basically that a standard half pot bet was most of his stack so I might as well just shove.


Yes I agree that maybe my flop bet was large, but I was decently happy with TpTk on the flop. Lots of cards to come that put me behind so it felt right to make a strong bet here. Any broadway card that’s not A or K is bad for me and that’s what ends up happening on both the turn and river.

pretty surprised that people think that turn shove is good

A little input to support your thought would be helpful

I would’ve bet more pre, like $125ish. I agree as played flop bet is a bit large, but him calling you makes his range strong at this point. Check behind on turn.

I don't understand the turn shove, either. I don't know that I'm folding to a river shove by V necessarily but there's definitely a chance I would.

Who cares what the SPR is at that point, what are we getting called on when we shove turn? A guy with KTs who puts his chips forward while saying, "I guess it's time to go, my wife just called and said we're out of milk?"

The Q on the turn was the worst card for us to shove into. This guy's got KQs and 99 as most of his range all day long after he calls that flop.

If V checks river then bombs away.

If you checked turn and then V checked river why would you shove then?
if called your beat 100% of the time .
A turn shove might get an Above avg player as OP described V2 to lay down KJ or K10 maybe even AK as you 3 bet pre and KK or QQ has to be in your range. That's the ugliest river you could get and are beat or chopping.
I only opt for turn shove given V2 stack of $400 left
If against V1 stack I would Opt check and see river

Turn shove is bad, but river shove on this runout is even worse.

I don’t get why you are obligated to shove turn just because villain only has $400 left. What does that have to do with anything?

your not obligated by any means and checking back to see the river is ok here.
Me personally prefer the shove .
He didn't 4 bet me pre so I feel ok that he doesn't have AA KK QQ
I am behind to KQ and 99 and (J10) lower end of his range
and have a chance to fold out KJ or K10 maybe AK
what if you check and river is a brick and he shoves
now your looking at $400 to win $1100 are you calling or folding?
if you would call here Then why not try to take it down on the turn with a bet?

Sorry, wasn't even looking at the river, but you're right. Was just looking at how bad a turn shove is and assumed V checked a safer river than a T when I said bombs away. I was looking at a turn check/river shove in a vacuum.

You'd rather fold out KJ or KT on the turn, which is way behind, than to call TPTK if a brick river lands? That seems a bit backwards, particularly considering any hands you're behind were behind on both streets anyway.

You can't be afraid of a 7-outer on the river when you check the turn (KJ or KT). You're making the highest +EV play on the turn decision with a check. You underrep your hand a bit and KJ/KT is much more likely to call a river bet (assuming the river bricked, not the current runout).

I'm a little lazy typing
so also
by pushing and then he may call the turn with KJ or K10 if it bricks you win
if you check bomb a brick river he may now fold without having those addition outs.
what if he has AK and thinks you have KQ you fold out the chop also

Slightly bigger pre , maybe $125,
Flop, would you bet the same if you missed the flop ? If so then I think sizing is fine, but if your betting only half pot or less in spots where you miss you should also be betting value in same sizing ,
Turn : as played he has $400 behind and pot is $700, shove is fine , looks weaker than if you say bet $250-$350ish, standard I would imo for these stack sizes, depends on your image as well,