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Old 04-11-2017, 10:46 PM   #1
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1500 max 2/5 game

Eff stacks 1500

H image, just sat down, played several times over last week with v, probably gives me credit for being solid, tag reg.

V is good solid player, definitely on the lag side, opens wide and 3bets wide pre flop, seen him 3 bet with 58ss a few days ago

H in hj with jjsd

H opens to 20, v in co 3 bets to 65,

Flop(135) 348dd
X,x

Turn(135) 3
H bets 100, v calls

River(335) 10
X , v bets 325, h?

I think maybe I should check the turn as I feel a bet from v would define his range more, at the same time I want to get some value for my hand. I would definitely give him credit for checking back aa or kk on this flop some of the time.

Is this a straight forward call or am I losing too much of the time to aa kk qq?
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Old 04-11-2017, 11:00 PM   #2
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Re: 1500 max 2/5 game

Really love the flop check by V if he indeed has AA/KK. QQ not so much.

Why not blockbet the river yourself?
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Old 04-11-2017, 11:04 PM   #3
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Re: 1500 max 2/5 game

Tough spot.

I think betting turn is fine, but I think you should go smaller. Maybe $60-70. Goal here is to deny odds to two over cards and a half pot bet accomplishes that.

I think river is a fold. The problem is he doesn't really have any value hand that we beat. We're behind AA-TT and 88, and it's hard to put him on a single 8. I guess you're ahead of 99 but I doubt he's value betting that thin. He needs to be bluffing a third of the time and it's hard to see how he calls turn with just overcards other than the diamond draw, and that's probably a c-bet.
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Old 04-11-2017, 11:51 PM   #4
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Re: 1500 max 2/5 game

pay him off. i mean you've seen him 3 bet 85ss.

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Old 04-12-2017, 12:06 AM   #5
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Re: 1500 max 2/5 game

Is a very stange bet on the river by villain it is a near PSB I really dont know what he is trying to rep,

All flush draw would cbet but as he did 3b only really AK/AQs would be doing that maybe T9/98? but either way isnt too many combos of flush draw.

Pre flop and flop pretty standard for hero after the check back on the flop I think you have to bet on the turn but sizing a little too much I rather 70-90

On the river I dont know why hero checks if it was too give villain rope to bluff with then i like it but checking your hand makes yourself look weak and when he bets you dont know if you are good or not.
Usually i think a bet/fold line might be the best way too go.

AP I would probably pay the guy off but not loving it

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Old 04-12-2017, 12:43 AM   #6
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Re: 1500 max 2/5 game

As MIB211 stated, I'd go with a smaller turn sizing. I'd probably plan to go .5-.6Pot on turn and river.

As played, I think this is really close on fold/call. I made a range with as loose as I think V might be based on description. I put in 2 combos of 77 and 66 that might have decided to turn hand into a bluff OTR... not sure how often that happens. Also put in some NFDs.. not sure if those would have played the way they did...(oh & 2 ways for 87s)

With all of that, we come out w/ 37% equity. Drop out the 77/66 combos, and we're down to 27%... Unless we've been visibly leaking, this guy might not want to get into a reg-war with us making his ISO range more snug.

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Old 04-12-2017, 12:47 AM   #7
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Re: 1500 max 2/5 game

tough hand man, Villains seems pretty good.

Funny thing is the flop and turn line to me are good. River is a coin flip to me but I always side with me being nitty whenever I feel lost in a hand.

His line does seem like AA though cause of his slow play on flop, probably AA more likely if he is good. Most people with QQ-KK will bet flop IMO, also people will bet flop here with AK a lot IMO.

I think this is a fold. If he's that wide and y'all have history, can we assume he is aware of all this? If thats the case he knows he wide and he knows you know that, and now that you know that he knows that you know what he knows, then its a fold, you know?
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Old 04-12-2017, 03:36 AM   #8
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Re: 1500 max 2/5 game

OTT go smaller, like 60-63% pot. AP, call.
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Old 04-12-2017, 04:51 AM   #9
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Re: 1500 max 2/5 game

Easy call.


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Old 04-12-2017, 05:13 AM   #10
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Re: 1500 max 2/5 game

I mean our hand is so under repped here I think we have to call...... But my main issue here is not betting the river..... You have to make a bet there, if he raises it fine we are good enough to bet fold, but you are loosing big value, it's not even close to thin, by not betting this river...
I would say 180ish on the river would be good.
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Old 04-12-2017, 07:12 AM   #11
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Re: 1500 max 2/5 game

V seems good.. hes potting it and putting your capped range to the test. Call off because its the best hand you can have, and V looks capable. You should also bet small on the river
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Old 04-12-2017, 07:54 AM   #12
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Re: 1500 max 2/5 game

Everyone is saying call and I agree, but I think this is a value bet on the river and fold to a raise. This board is way better for your range than his. I think you should be putting him to the test, not the other way around. If you're in a situation where you are trying to run a double barrel bluff, you need to have some value hands here too and you're basically at the top of your range. If you valuetown yourself then so be it, that will happen sometimes. The vast majority of 2/5 players make more calling mistakes than betting mistakes imo, and a common 2/5 leak is not value betting enough. Therefore, while both decisions are +ev, I like a line of aggression more.


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Old 04-12-2017, 08:49 AM   #13
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Re: 1500 max 2/5 game

Based on your line and V image, I think this is a call. First, your hand is under-repped, river check looks weak, as if to induce a bluff.

Secondly, you are facing a very agg opponent with a wide 3-b range. While QQ+ is obviously part of this 3-b range, it is a small portion. His river sizing seems like he wants a fold, especially with your check. If he played QQ+ like this, nh.
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Old 04-12-2017, 08:53 AM   #14
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Re: 1500 max 2/5 game

Results would be nice.
Villain shows up with A3s? ???

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Old 04-12-2017, 09:10 AM   #15
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Re: 1500 max 2/5 game

What better hands in our range are we taking this line with? If this it the very top of our range I think we have to call.
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Old 04-12-2017, 10:55 AM   #16
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Re: 1500 max 2/5 game

There are two problems with the way you played it.

One is that while you say that he's 3betting wide - and positionally, this is a good spot for him to 3bet wide- then your read shifts into him having a tight range.

This interacts with the way you played your hand by underplaying it. If I were villain and I had air, I might think you had a busted flush draw or a weak middle pair and I could be trying to get it off from you.

Last, but not least, if villain is 3betting wide, then this is a good spot for you to 4bet pre and take the lead post flop.
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Old 04-12-2017, 11:22 AM   #17
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Re: 1500 max 2/5 game

This has to be a call. Your hand is under repped and if you are not going to call with JJ on ths run out with this action, just fold pre.
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Old 04-12-2017, 11:37 AM   #18
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Re: 1500 max 2/5 game

Super easy call as played
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Old 04-14-2017, 12:20 AM   #19
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Re: 1500 max 2/5 game

Thanks for input, I was very close to calling, but I just felt like his sizing on the river was so perfect for him to show up with aces, I think he definitely weights my range towards jj qq and he wants to make his psb on the river look like a bluff. I also am aware that he is aware that I've seen him be aggro pre with a wide range of hands and because of this feel he would be more likely to have it on this occasion. I fold. He accidentally flips one card over and it's an ace. I asked him later and he says he had aa. Knowing that he now had atleast 1 ace that clearly narrows his range, likelihood is he had aa?
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Old 04-14-2017, 12:41 AM   #20
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Re: 1500 max 2/5 game

Was the A that flipped the A of diamonds?

As a baseline I would put his range at 3 AA, 4 AK, 2 A3 combos, maybe also a couple of AQ. If it was the A of diamonds, another 3-4 Ad combos.
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