Title basically says it all. Hero and villain are both mid-20s ABC TAGish Asian kids. I'm in position, he covers.

Preflop there was a small raise or a straddle (can't remember who raised, wasn't either of us). Hero overcalls IP with 86s, flop comes 742 all spades, villain leads 30 into like 35-40; hero raises to 90 and villain shoves.

You know what happened because I'm posting this thread. This is pretty much a slam-dunk get it in as played, right? Are flatting or r/f for less ever options on planet Earth or just FPS?

You don't play 86s and then fold when flopping a flush. Not for 130BB, at least.

NEVER FOLDING HERE.
you have a ton of hands beat that he shoves for value or semi bluffs with. top two, sets, naked ace of spades, and if he is horrible 56 or 53.

to summarize, NEVER NEVER NEVER FOLD.

Its all about the hand range. I suppose your friend- young- asian stereotype (although he may be a tight nit and you should fold if he is) but otherwise you have to ask if he does this with sets as well as the lone ace.

Your assessment of what he does with his hand range there will give your best answer. There is no absolute "do this" as many would like and making absolutes for yourself is no more than making an excuse to never fold a made hand IMO. If it were a 70 year old man or little old lady you would easily fold IF you have not put a significant portion of your stack in already like 35-40% and you could fold even then vs some totally straightforward tights.

If this was 1-2 and your stack was 260, you put in 90 already - you cannot fold vs him. But be careful and note that this is an absolute here simply because of the particular facts / villain description / and stacks here. I know players you could fold for the extra 180 all day and never be wrong.

Cant fold here. Maybe if you had room to r/f, but ya dont. You haz an out here too, if you're beat.

You are probably ahead of most ranges here ... could be trying to fade a set, 2 pr or nut draw. Most low limit V wont PSB with nut/near nut hands, only set, 2pr or draws.

You are suggesting you lost the hand? I think you are ahead most of the time so dont feel bad about getting it in for less than 200bb. It, of course, comes down to your opinion of your chips. Do you have another bullet? Did you rebuild your stack and are now even for the session? Only the player in the hand can make these choices, but from a strickly poker math view point this is a call IMO. GL

If this went 4+ ways to the flop, I think you're smoked pretty often honestly.

In some situations, depending on how exactly the hand played preflop and how the player who shoved plays, I could get away from your hand here. It depends on what you can put in villain's range. This board makes it nearly impossible for him to have a lower flush or a lower flush draw and sets are unlikely for most villains. So for a lot of villains you could range them for higher flushes or draws to higher flushes. If you think his range doesn't have a lot of draws when he shoves, then folding is possible.

The preflop play, how many people are in the hand and what positions make a big difference here. If he is in EP betting into several people, then his hand has to be weighted towards made flushes.

As played you gota call. 1/3 of your stack is in the middle, and you flopped a flush. You just beat too much of his range to not call here.

But honestly, as an aside, id really fold this preflop. Limping/flatting to many hands (especially marginal drawing hands like this one) preflop in 1/2 are a great way to spew off your stack.

this. you played it right op.

I think there should be other reasons to call besides:
-If you have 86s and flop a flush you can't fold
-Not folding for 130bb
-1/3 of our stack is in the middle

I agree that folding all the time with these reasons is a leak, but they also can't only be the reasons for calling either.

Obviously this is villain dependent, but from OP, it appears that the flop went multi-way and V donks on the flop or bets when checked too. Either way a bet/3-bet shove is a strong line. (Especially from an ABC player)

Now, for everyone saying that his range is wide. What range are you putting V on and why? Would an ABC tag really bet a draw into a multi-way pot with the chance of getting raised?

Also, there is ONLY 1 combo with a made flush that we beat (53s). Two pair is unlikely as well, which leaves made flushes and sets. So, either we can be drawing dead or be a 2/3 favorite and hope the board doesn't pair. I don't know about everyone else, but whenever I see a one-suited flop, people usually tend to play them straight forward for the most part.

This is a simple question of villain tendencies, your perceived image, and ranging.

You and villain have history. From villain's perspective, would you raise his bet with an AXx draw, 88-JJ, or a set? Basically, when you raise, what does villain think you have?

In terms of what we know about villain. Would he shove over the top of your raise here with AXx draw, 88-JJ, or a set? Would villain be more inclined to just call down with a set hoping the board pairs and no other spade hits or is he going to jam his sets in on a monotone flop?

If you know villain would shove a set or AXx draw in this spot then you can't fold your flush. If this seems out of character for villain and he is only taking the above line with a flush then you can fold your baby flush.

These spots are what separates winning players from players that crush. Its more than just "I haz flush, must call with flush " Its about ranging and understanding your villain tendencies.

There are plenty of villains I play against that I would snap fold a baby flush in this spot. Conversely, there are plenty of villains I play against in which I couldn't get my money in fast enough on this flop. It just depends.

So I turn the question back to you. What does villain do the above with and how does villain typically play his draws and/or sets in this spot.

Also, how did your villain seem physically? Was he making eye contact, looking up at the TV, shaking any, breathing hard, trying to be still, talking trash, etc etc. I'm not trying to derail this into a soul reading thread, but oftentimes in these spots live tells can give us 10% more info that can help us make the right decision.

What you want to develop a natural feel for is how players act when they are strong and they want a call vs when they want you to fold. Again, not saying this comes down to soul reading, just saying that is info that is out there that can help tip the scale in our favor in regards to making the right decision. Training yourself to automatically look for it will give you an edge most of our villains do not have

Can you not recall the exact preflop action? It matters a lot whether Villain was facing a straddle or an EP raise, and whether he was in UTG+1 or the CO.

If he was calling a raise in the CO after several other cold-callers, I think he could beat us with as much as:

{A[Q-9]s, A5s, A3s, K[Q-9]s, Q[J-9]s, J[T-9]s, T9s #16}

But if he was first in after a straddle, say in MP, then he might have just {A9, QT, JT} or something.

Is this 1/3 NL or 2/5 NL?

This was 1-2NL at the new place in Maryland. Surprisingly laggy table for like eight in the morning on a Friday. Saw a dude at my table stack the ex-fiancee he broke up with a few days ago (so much for saving that relationship).

Thanks for the replies - I was honestly thinking "i haz flush, get it in" without considering what made flush combos I beat. The more I think about it, the more it feels like he was in the blinds, which makes sets more reasonable imo.

I also probably could have taken a second to check for physical reads; one of my favorite to look for that's been pretty reliable is (if they're shuffling checks or something like that) to reach for my own chips or start to fold. Usually, if you're about to do something they don't want you to, they'll pause for a second.