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03-04-2014 , 07:50 AM
Villain is young chinese guy, seems good, doesnt play like a live donk, pretty aggressive and makes good call downs, i have him tagged as one of the better players

Previous hand history is straddle pot, i raise to 7 utg with AKo, 2 callers, he 3b to 32 (with 120 behind), i tank fold, he says he would have folded to a shove, and he had AQ, who knows if thats the truth

Also I've weirdly raised folded in exact same scenerio where I had AQcc UTG, and got 3b in straddled pot, but from diff guy, so my utg rep is not uber tight

My gameplan and overall strategy is to not get in preflop battles as the game is soft and can win money elsewhere, also my roll is not that big (£1700 for £100 buy-in, the game plays straddled a lot), so wanna keep variance down, pass up on small edge spots. Is this a good strategy??

Actual hand

Me (275)
V (190)

Straddled pot,

I raise to 7 UTG with 1010 , 2 callers,

straddler ie the Villain, 3b to 32, dejavu

Hero??
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03-04-2014 , 08:02 AM
1. Change seats.
2. Bring more money.

I find the finance question interesting. Because I don't think it's really a variance question; it's a finance question.

Given limited resources, you should choose the project that gives you the best return on investment. If you have limited poker funds, you should try to avoid high-dollar, thin-margin plays.

If you have unlimited resources, you can and should take on any project that shows a profit.

"Unlimited resources" in poker isn't as much as you might think, though. At 1/1, 4000 is pretty durn close to unlimited. Close enough.

In this particular situation, the answer is to figure out what villain's range is, figure out if you're ahead, and if you're even 1% ahead, bombs away! Especially important from a metagame perspective, because this guy has your number and he's not going to leave you alone until you fight back.

Or, you could just move.

You don't hear this in books very often, but occasionally some really, really smart players mention how important it is to have a winning image. To the point where they will recommend changing tables if you develop a losing image. I guess this is why, huh.
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03-04-2014 , 08:17 AM
Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 59.891% 59.69% 00.20% 343427268 1147962.00 { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 1: 40.109% 39.91% 00.20% 229610952 1147962.00 { TT }

Meh.
Looks like a fold?
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03-04-2014 , 08:53 AM
I would expect a £2000 roll to be sufficient for this level if you are indeed a winning player. You really aren't very far off from that.

Unfortunately you aren't getting good enough odds to set mine, and the range he is representing is better than TT. Of course, the key word there is representing. I do believe his range is probably wider than what he is representing. I do think a fold is probably in order, but I personally would still probably call here (unless he's straddling the button) but it's real close. He will have the aggression edge, but I will have the position edge, and skill edge and I think our hand strengths are pretty much a wash (with him having a polarized range).

That being said, you should probably pick your spots better and just fold. I hate a 4-bet here because you fold out his bluffs but he will continue with the vast majority of his hands that have you crushed but could also shove with AK, and if you raise and he shoves you have to fold.

BTW, the other players in the hand are relevant to the decision as well. If we call here, we have 2 other players who could either call as well or shove. So, I can't say definitively what I would do if they shoved but if they called in LP and then are shoving they are generally repping pocket pairs that we beat or maybe AK.
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03-04-2014 , 09:15 AM
Good responses guys, in game I knew I couldn't flat, so 4b or fold was in my head

How about a tiny 4b, like to 60 which I would do with AA/KK, then fold to shove. I don't think many people would shove without QQ+
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03-04-2014 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by AbqDave
1. Change seats.
2. Bring more money.

Or, you could just move.

You don't hear this in books very often, but occasionally some really, really smart players mention how important it is to have a winning image. To the point where they will recommend changing tables if you develop a losing image. I guess this is why, huh.
The seat was good, aggressive players to my right, tight to my left, plus the table was lively.

Agree about the winning image, I know Bart Hansen believes in this. My image was pretty good, I had shown winning hands but they were in limped pots. Sometimes they just have it I guess
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03-04-2014 , 09:23 AM
This is not a 4bet or fold

I'm grunching but I hope that's not the advice you received

If he's 3betting you with a value range of AQ+, TT+ (which I don't believe he's doing too often without more evidence), then you should not be 4betting TT. That's extremely -EV.

What hands do you get value from? Almost nothing.

What better hands will he fold? None.

Just fold, you're behind his 3betting range. Once you get more evidence that he is actually 3betting light, figure out what hands he is doing it with. If its a lot of broadway cards, then flat TT. Don't 4bet and narrow his range to being only hands that you're way behind.
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03-04-2014 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Kingandtheduck
Good responses guys, in game I knew I couldn't flat, so 4b or fold was in my head

How about a tiny 4b, like to 60 which I would do with AA/KK, then fold to shove. I don't think many people would shove without QQ+
If you make a tiny 4bet, you're betting to find out where you're at, which is an awful reason to bet.

Bet for value or as a bluff. Which of those does min-4betting with TT accomplish?
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03-04-2014 , 10:33 AM
Think AQ/Ak and JJ would fold, no-one 4b light in these games, good thinking player would probs fold these
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03-04-2014 , 12:20 PM
just fold

and lol at folding AK, at this kind of game i would always be gettig it in for less than 130ISH bbs

especially to young asian, AK is like looking at AA
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03-04-2014 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty313
just fold

and lol at folding AK, at this kind of game i would always be gettig it in for less than 130ISH bbs

especially to young asian, AK is like looking at AA
Does anyone else think we should be getting in 130bbs with AK in this game?
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03-04-2014 , 02:12 PM
i wish i could quantify how much money i've lost leveling myself into continuing with TT utg against a 3bet
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03-04-2014 , 02:14 PM
Given the history with V, we should be tightening our UTG raising range, opening up our l/c range. TT would play well with a l/c and he's not going to stop 3betting us, especially when repeatedly successful.
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03-04-2014 , 02:15 PM
OP-- what range do you put him on? Did you feel he was 3betting you light? How light?
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03-04-2014 , 06:22 PM
He's only 3b us once, and claimed he had AQ and just didnt want to call in straddle with that hand, so we could include AQ in his range,

limp calling 1010 UTG is an interesting idea and one I've not ever thought of, I guess 1010 feels like its to big to treat it like a pair of 22s
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03-04-2014 , 06:52 PM
Folding ak to a 3b is horrendous, u block aa/kk so it's much better to 4b that than 10s which u are likely to always fold out worse and most times be a 20% dog, best case he has ak and u r flipping.
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