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100NL hand: What hands can we get in for 170BBs on the flop? 100NL hand: What hands can we get in for 170BBs on the flop?

10-25-2020 , 05:11 PM
$.50/$1 online home game last night and a pretty interesting hand came up. The background to this hand is that these players (particularly UTG+1) are VERY loose preflop so I'm sizing up pre to capitalize on this. UTG+1 (main villain) is very trigger-happy with raises and refers to himself as a "donator"

9-handed, UTG+1 limps, Highjack limps, I raise KhKc in the cutoff to $7.50, big blind calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop $24: 9s5d4d.

UTG+1 leads for $10, I raise to $28.50, big blind jams for $77, UTG+1 rejams for $167. Hero???



I chose to call because this is the best hand I can go with other than pocket 9's. I'd rather have kings than aces here bc I think this player could possibly jam A2 or A3 on the flop. No diamond in my hand. I won't have 4's, 5's or 54 suited as played. This would be a snap if we were 100bbs effective but I'm less familiar with how much to adjust when playing 175bbs effective to start the hand.

Is it too spewy to call off 1 pair here so deep? If I'm folding kings no diamond here is it ok to be folding 95% of hands facing this action? Thanks in advance for any feedback

Last edited by Pokerhauntus; 10-25-2020 at 05:12 PM. Reason: clarity
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10-25-2020 , 07:48 PM
can i poast online hands in here too?

AP not folding. price too good.
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10-25-2020 , 07:59 PM
The pot is protected by BB's all-in so there's really no incentive for UTG+1 to be bluffing. It seems pretty unlikely you're good against both of them. I'd stack off with Axdd, 76dd and sets only.

It doesn't matter that you're folding the majority of your range. BB is already "defending" against UTG+1's jam for you, and UTG+1 is defending against BB's jam. You almost never need to bluffcatch after someone else has already called/raised.
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10-25-2020 , 08:21 PM
Ya, I would also fold.
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10-25-2020 , 08:32 PM
Given the smallish donk and ensuing action i find it hard to believe we’re behind UTG +1’s range considering the player description. BB shove is whatever. We were calling that off anyways.

It’s only partially true that BB is defending against UTG +1’s jam because of the effective stack differential.

annoying spot of course. We’ll lose this hand a lot. Pot share is smaller than we’d like.
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10-25-2020 , 11:13 PM
I think folding sounds pretty nice, you already have repped a big PP and neither V cares, I believe it's unlikely you are ahead now and even if you are, you are MW and may have to dodge diamonds. Either V is repping NFD, set or OP, would be funny if either had QQ/JJ.
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10-26-2020 , 12:45 AM
ez call, this is just a wild nonsense game. Flat pre, donkbet less then half pot then 3bet? Line makes no sense at all.
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10-26-2020 , 01:17 AM
I routinely fold one pair hands to this sort of action and only once have been ahead.
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10-26-2020 , 02:51 AM
Thanks all for feedback. I realize that a normal player has very little incentive to bluff given that they're all in against the BB but it's honestly difficult to say whether UTG+1 even realizes this (have seen him bluff rivers into dry side pots before.) I honestly think he's just at the level where he will put in chips according to the strength of his hand and not think about the rest.

As it turns out UTG+1 had pocket 4s and the BB had KQdd, pretty murdered lol. Is 76dd even a call? Seems like it's doing pretty terrible if one of the players has a flush draw (which seems very likely.) I also probably wouldn't have it pre bc I prefer to mainly inflate pots pre with premiums against these types of opponents.
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10-26-2020 , 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Pokerhauntus
Thanks all for feedback. I realize that a normal player has very little incentive to bluff given that they're all in against the BB but it's honestly difficult to say whether UTG+1 even realizes this (have seen him bluff rivers into dry side pots before.) I honestly think he's just at the level where he will put in chips according to the strength of his hand and not think about the rest.

As it turns out UTG+1 had pocket 4s and the BB had KQdd, pretty murdered lol. Is 76dd even a call? Seems like it's doing pretty terrible if one of the players has a flush draw (which seems very likely.) I also probably wouldn't have it pre bc I prefer to mainly inflate pots pre with premiums against these types of opponents.
76dd has 26% equity vs these exact holdings and this is close to your worst case. You only need 31% or something. If they had almost anything else you’re either breaking even or very +EV to call with that combo. It doesn’t seem too close vs overall ranges. 87dd is probably a fold though.
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