Sorry for ruining the sanctity of the forum

Maybe it's not incredibly helpful, but with this much history, I think you need to know a bit more preflop...will V flat/stack off with JJ/QQ? And I think you should have an idea if he has AA/KK when he reacts to your 3bet.

So basically, 40% V has overs/fd/sd and H wins 70% (28% equity), and 60% V has H smaaaaaaashed and H needs to get ******edlucky on the river (call it 5% equity) = total 33% equity in this spot.

With the math this close (edit: if and only if you can discount AA/KK from V's range preflop), I think it comes down to approach and attitude. If you're the balls-before-back-down type, go ahead and make the call knowing that it's quite marginal, but if the $350 means more than your wounded pride, feel absolutely free to fold, and maybe you'll get the story from V in future sessions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5pESPQpXxE

Oh, I think you took my response too harshly. But we have a lot of threads started in this forum that are "thinly veiled brag" posts where everyone says to do one thing based on the information in the original post, and then the poster comes back and gives extra information that wasn't supplied to the people responding.

It doesn't "ruin the sanctity of the forum" when you do that; it just means that the advice is not useful to you. People giving advice based on incomplete information won't be able to help you in a spot where you were actually having trouble.

Next time you want to post a hand, instead of just recounting the action, if you have a specific read that helps you range your opponent (like that he would 4bet a lot of his bigger pocket pairs), give it in the original post. Otherwise you get posts like mine above, where in your opinion, which is more informed than mine, my range is off--and if the range is off the advice is useless.

This wasn't a thinly veiled brag at all. If you look at a lot of my hand threads in the past, I have lost a big hand or have folded. I honestly didn't know how to react to this hand, and even though I had a specific read on the villain, I still wanted input on the hand in a vacuum. I know you are a respected live low stakes poster, so I appreciate your input and can understand you agitation towards me.

This thread gets very interesting if we have QQ with a spade

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I havn't posted in ages...

anyway, I wouldn't 3bet here against someone competent.

Can you please explain why having QQ 'with a spade' specifically makes it more interesting?

If he has Qs, then we can remove AsQs and KsQs from his drawing range and that would still put us as a 3:1 underdog against his overpairs, sets and draws.

Not in the least: the fact that we beat JJ instead of losing to it, and that we block combos of QQ (and the 1 remaining one no longer beats us) is a big deal. Also, the fact that some of his draws that had overcards are either not there or only have one overcard also matters.

Just for fun I'm going to run the same equity calculation as above, but now if our hand is QQ.

Let's start with the same "baseline" range as I gave before--KK/QQ/JJ and flopped sets.

Our equity against this range: 31.40%

That's already almost enough to call!!! Now let's add into that range AK and AJ (since we have the Q).

Our equity against this range: 34.75%

We now have a profitable, if slightly reluctant, call. Adding KJ bumps us up to 36.36%. Our equity gets similarly bumped up every time we add more Broadway spade draws that have two overcards to the board but only one overcard to our pair.

Now we have a crying call if Villain could show up with big spade draws, and a crying fold if he only has a range of JJ+ and sets. As P4MS said, the hand is much more interesting that way. And furthermore if we did have QQ with a spade, the results would actually justify calling (which they don't necessarily when we have TT instead).

EDIT: Actually I'm wrong--the results still would not justify a call. If Villain's range is only big spade draws and sets, then our equity goes back down to 21.59%. We really, really need to know if Villain can show up with JJ here, even if we have QQ. Also, P4MS, I don't know if you realized this but our equity is better if we don't have the Qs than if we do.