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Originally Posted by GheeRoast
Can you please explain why having QQ 'with a spade' specifically makes it more interesting?
If he has Qs, then we can remove AsQs and KsQs from his drawing range and that would still put us as a 3:1 underdog against his overpairs, sets and draws.
Not in the least: the fact that we beat JJ instead of losing to it, and that we block combos of QQ (and the 1 remaining one no longer beats us) is a big deal. Also, the fact that some of his draws that had overcards are either not there or only have one overcard also matters.
Just for fun I'm going to run the same equity calculation as above, but now if our hand is Q
Q
.
Let's start with the same "baseline" range as I gave before--KK/QQ/JJ and flopped sets.
Our equity against this range:
31.40%
That's already almost enough to call!!! Now let's add into that range A
K
and A
J
(since we have the Q
).
Our equity against this range:
34.75%
We now have a profitable, if slightly reluctant, call. Adding K
J
bumps us up to
36.36%. Our equity gets similarly bumped up every time we add more Broadway spade draws that have two overcards to the board
but only one overcard to our pair.
Now we have a crying call if Villain could show up with big spade draws, and a crying fold if he only has a range of JJ+ and sets. As P4MS said, the hand is much more interesting that way. And furthermore if we did have QQ with a spade, the results would actually justify calling (which they don't necessarily when we have TT instead).
EDIT: Actually I'm wrong--the results still would not justify a call. If Villain's range is only big spade draws and sets, then our equity goes back down to 21.59%. We really, really need to know if Villain can show up with JJ here, even if we have QQ. Also, P4MS, I don't know if you realized this but our equity is better if we don't have the Qs than if we do.