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01-16-2017 , 10:46 AM
Playing in a good 1/2 game on Saturday afternoon. V1 ($200) is a YWG that is moving chips around quite a bit, and got caught in one big bluff earlier. Is definitely thinking about the game, but still seems newish. Hero ($500) is winning and is presenting a TAG image to the table. Shown down a few hands, always had the goods. OTTH.

V1 opens from UTG+1 for $8, 3 calls, Hero calls on the button with 10J, both blinds call. 7 ways to the flop, told you the game was good!

Flop ($50 rake +HH drop) QJ5
V1 bets $20, folds to Hero, Hero calls.

Turn ($90) 10
V1 bets $40, Hero calls.

River ($170) K
V1 thinks for a while, then moves all in for remaining $132. Hero calls.

I'm looking for a line check on all streets.
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01-16-2017 , 10:52 AM
I probably would have played it the same exact way. If he has the nuts, it's a cooler.

Ott, I might have shipped it in to put pressure on aq, KQ, kj, ace of clubs type hands.
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01-16-2017 , 10:57 AM
Line check on all streets? OK

I would fold preflop. Keep track of all your JT off suit hands and you'll see why.

I would fold the flop. With 7 people seeing the flop there's a very good chance someone has the Ac or Kc making your hand garbage

If you call, you really dont want to see another club on the river. There's a very good chance that Villian has KcKx or AcAx. If I call here Im folding to a rivered club if he bets, which means Im not calling here. Im shoving the turn.

As I said, Im folding to a rivered club if he bets.
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01-16-2017 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Line check on all streets? OK

I would fold preflop. Keep track of all your JT off suit hands and you'll see why.

I would fold the flop. With 7 people seeing the flop there's a very good chance someone has the Ac or Kc making your hand garbage

If you call, you really dont want to see another club on the river. There's a very good chance that Villian has KcKx or AcAx. If I call here Im folding to a rivered club if he bets, which means Im not calling here. Im shoving the turn.

As I said, Im folding to a rivered club if he bets.
Hey Mike, I appreciate the criticism. Just wondering if we can discuss a few of your points further.

Can you please expand on your first point? I've found that at weak 1/2 tables JT plays well in position. I was actually debating bombing it pre as a super squeeze!

On the flop we are getting 3.5-1 on a call with only the blinds left to act behind us. Everyone else already folded. Seems like folding here is giving up a ton of equity no?

If I shove turn what range do you think I'm getting called by?

River was close, but we are getting 2.3-1 on a call. only have to be right 1 out of 3 times to show profit.
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01-16-2017 , 11:17 AM
JTo even on the button is pretty loose. Not sure how you'll make a lot of money.

On the flop, it's pretty meh to call but not super -EV unless you play bad. I'm just folding flop if I got here.

Turn is a shove.

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01-16-2017 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by JacetheMind
Hey Mike, I appreciate the criticism. Just wondering if we can discuss a few of your points further.

Can you please expand on your first point? I've found that at weak 1/2 tables JT plays well in position. I was actually debating bombing it pre as a super squeeze!

On the flop we are getting 3.5-1 on a call with only the blinds left to act behind us. Everyone else already folded. Seems like folding here is giving up a ton of equity no?

If I shove turn what range do you think I'm getting called by?

River was close, but we are getting 2.3-1 on a call. only have to be right 1 out of 3 times to show profit.
Ive discussed with this friends plenty of times. They want to play more hands at a weak table full of fish, but very quickly as you play more hands, you become one of the fish. If it was JTs, I would be OK with a call. I would never squeeze with it without a serious read on the original raiser. Lots of times people give off serious bet sizing tells. Without that, I wouldnt even consider a squeeze of an EP raiser. Im looking for tells like that in every hand when most people arent even paying attention because they looked down and saw Q5 and mentally checked out and didnt even watch the action.

On the flop you're getting 3.5:1. That means nothing if you have no clean outs. Preflop raiser bets into 6 other people on that flop? What do you think he has? Unless hes terrible, my guess is he has a big club. Most likely AcQx / AcAx / KcKx. Against that range you have 5 outs on the turn and even if you hit one (which you did), he still has a redraw to a higher flush. Easy fold on the flop for me. I dont care what the odds are.

On the turn, you hit one of your 5 likely outs (which may not even be an out of he has AcKx). Im not putting him on that, but its possible. Like I said, at this point, Im shoving because I think Im ahead and I dont think hes folding.
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