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10/20c trapping with AKo 10/20c trapping with AKo

08-03-2018 , 08:03 AM
Villain is pretty loose like everyone else on the table except me. He has 90$ in his stack, and I have around 100$, so we are very deep. He is on the button, and I am on the cutoff.

There was no straddle this hand, and it folded to me which is a very rare occasion on this table, I decide to limp in with AK, HJ limps, Villain makes it 2$ (standard) and we both call.

Flop: A94 (~6$)

We check and V bets 5$, I call and HJ folds.

Turn 8 (16$)

I check and he bets 15$, I wanted to raise him here because I know he likes to chase flush draws and there are 2 flush draws on the board now. On the other hand he still has 70$ behind which is a lot even for him to call. I decide to call.

After I called his turn bet he said "Please no diamond" and since I didn't have a diamond, and had an ace I was pretty sure he was on a diamond draw.

River K (46$)

I thought about betting and making him think I have a missed draw, but I figured there is a higher chance that he has exactly that, so I checked. He went allin for 70$ and I called. He mucked as soon as I called so I didn't see his cards.

PS: I know you guys don't like to see results, but it doesn't change anything in this hand I think.
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08-03-2018 , 08:10 AM
Open limping with AK (and limping in general) is bad at any stakes.

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08-03-2018 , 08:15 AM
Yeah I know, but since we are very deep I wanted to disguise my hand. It's definitely not my standard line with AKo...
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08-03-2018 , 08:19 AM
Is there a question here?
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08-03-2018 , 08:22 AM
He sounds like he'd still be coming along whether your hand is disguised or not so I would try and get in as much preflop as possible
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08-03-2018 , 08:23 AM
Nothing here is particularly bad. Just remember that the deeper you and the better your opponent the less you want to trap. Decent opponents are not going to bluff shove on the river very often. Against non-fishy opponent this pot/pot/shove line is going to two pair+ a lot. Better opponents are going to give up their bluffs at some point most of the time so you will need to lead/raise at some point most of the time.

Also note that despite being a .1/.2 game if the standard open is $2 you shouldn't play the game like you are super deep. Villain's SPR is around 15 on the flop, more typical of a standard 100BB game. This actually makes your trapping better. If villain had made it .5 preflop and you went to the flop with $1.5 in the pot and a SPR of 60 you would have better reason to be aggressive.
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08-03-2018 , 08:28 AM
You can only disguise your hand by balancing this (open limping with a top hand) with a ton of crap hands you shouldn't be playing.

With this position you should be opening a pretty wide range. If you are doing that properly, your AK will already be disguised.

Check out the free preflop range charts at Upswing Poker and start there. I host home games, one of them being 10/20c and trust me, players limping with AK are the types of players that get wrecked long term.

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08-03-2018 , 08:47 AM
@QuadJ Yeah, I talked to my friend and he said that raising on the turn would be bad because I could be beat a lot of the times, but on the other hand since it wasn't a 3bet hand he can often have both the club and diamond draws. I guess it's a hand you have to play on different rivers.

@dmccoy87 Well I only recently started limp-calling/raising some hands, until now I had a very tight range of hands, and I was pretty aggressive with my value hands since the standard open is so big and they call everything. This is working pretty well when we are 20-50$ deep, but whenever I had a bigger stack I started to get into tough spots because they knew what hands I have, so I started adding some more hands to call opens, call 3bets, and limp-call/raise.
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08-03-2018 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by JovaKarambol
@dmccoy87 Well I only recently started limp-calling/raising some hands, until now I had a very tight range of hands, and I was pretty aggressive with my value hands since the standard open is so big and they call everything. This is working pretty well when we are 20-50$ deep, but whenever I had a bigger stack I started to get into tough spots because they knew what hands I have, so I started adding some more hands to call opens, call 3bets, and limp-call/raise.
You've identified the problem, now you just need the right solution (which isn't adding open limps). You just need to open a wider range if your opponents are easily ranging you. It sounds like your image is pretty tight, so your bluffs should be more effective than normal and you can take down a lot of pots with cbets. You can and should also work in some light 3b!.

I had some of the same issues as you and I actually initially tried some of the same tactics you described. Let me spare you the hard lessons and just skip to the answer: if you start opening wider and mixing in some light 3b! the player pool will start to adjust. For my player pool, the open size went down and the ranges tightened after me and a few players started playing aggressively.
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