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Old 01-04-2014, 03:54 PM   #1
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10/20 CZK KJ on the button facing turn shove

Situation: A 10/20 CZK (approx. .50/1 USD) table at a small card room in Hradec Kralove, around 60 min. from Prague. Table populated by seeming regs, some LAG, some TAG bordering on nit (one of them was also playing on his tablet at the table). When I sat down at midnight there were 5 others at the table, during the night that number swelled to 9 when the other game broke. At the time this hand was played there were 7 players seated including me. As a whole the game was really loose and lively, straddling was frequent (except for when the two nits were UTG), friendly chatting, plenty of action, some guys playing pretty deep (200+ BBs).

An important aspect of the table dynamic was that I felt targeted from the moment I sat down. I tried to just be a smiling, inane American, saying hello, good evening, whatever. I waited to post the BB, and as soon as I did every single one of my blinds and buttons (without exception!) were re-straddled, and at times there was a re-re-straddle. One orbit I was the first to make a decision in spite of being OTB (!). As soon as my blinds had passed, there was only a straddle, never a re-straddle. I straddled only occasionally and whenever I did there was a re-straddle.

Villain: reasonably LAG, sometimes plays ATC (see background hand), 30-ish

Heroís image: Donk, fish but not a drooler. First live NLHE session, as I live in Poland and cash games are illegal here so all I have to play in live are donkaments where the starting stacks are so low and structures so ridiculous that it turns the game into a lottery (the tournaments are redeemed by low buy-ins and decent prize pools thanks to lots of guys taking 5+ rebuys). Besides that, I only play around 2-4 times a month because, well, Iím busy. So Iím a rec player, not devoid of native intelligence but donít play often/systematically/online which means I lack a lot of skills that come from racking up hours of play. At the time this hand was played I had won a few decent hands at showdown, caught bluffing once and made some really stupid calls. I might have been viewed as a bit of a station too.

History with V: V felted me around 30 min. into the session. I 3! OTB with AQd, he called from the BB, c/cíd my bet on a 2d2c8d flop, led a Qs river with a massive overbet, and then my fishiness kicked in Ė I went all-in with a bare NFD, he called and showed Q2. After I re-bought for another 100 BBs, we tangled with set-ovet-set ending in a chop when the board made a straight, then later I folded 2p on the turn when he took a similar line to the one given above, after which he showed a flopped straight.

The hand: This felt like a sick spot to me because I am sure itís one a lot of people go broke in, and I remember reading somewhere on 2+2 about not playing Ďone card pokerí. Iím posting because I would like to know what to do in the future when I get into these spots. Results will be posted later ITT.

10/20 CZK NL (7 handed)
Button Hero (3500 CZK)
SB (5000 CZK)
BB Villain (3300 CZK)

Hero is dealt KhJs. Re-straddle is on.

2 folds, Hero bets 240, SB folds, V (BB) calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

I felt my hand was strong enough to open with considering the table was loose and defending the straddles was a must for these guys, plus I had position.

Flop (970 CZK) KQ8 rainbow

Czechs around to Hero (ha ha ha), H bets 700, BB calls, UTG & UTG+1 fold

Ranging is generally hard for me because I just donít play enough. At this point I had him flatting with 88-QQ (my read was that he would flat sets here), AQ, AK, all K and Q broadway combinations (incl. KQ). I thought he would raise AA and straight draws though.

Turn (2370 CZK) Kx

V leads for 1800, has around 500 left.

Now Iím panicking (one card poker). Every time he took this line before (c/c flop, lead bomb turn) he had the nuts or near-nuts. I tanked for about three minutes. I ranged him here as AA, AK, AQ, QQ, 88, but maybe this is too narrow? It was obvious that if I shove he calls for his remaining micro-stack and if I flat then the river is a trivial shove/call (at that point I was ready to go home, feeling a bit out of my depth, so I figured if I was beat I was beat, tough, shouldnít play poker if I suck that hard etc.). So letís just agree that V shoved here.

Hero? What is his range? Can I call this? Am I destroyed by a full house? Is he taking advantage of pwning me earlier and bluffing?
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Old 01-04-2014, 06:55 PM   #2
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Re: 10/20 CZK KJ on the button facing turn shove

In the background hand he called a 3bet from the BB with Q2, c/c a 228 flop, and led a Q turn with an overbet.

In this hand he called a raise from the BB, c/c a KQ8r flop, and led a K turn with a 3/4 pot bet.

If he previously called a 3b from the BB with Q2, why are you now ranging him exclusively to quality starting hands (i.e. AA, AK, AQ, QQ, 88)? If he's actually a LAG he should be 3betting preflop with AA/QQ/AK. I can understand being a little concerned about KQ/K8/88, but other than that this is a pretty good board for you. Villain has a wide calling range preflop and can often take this line with KT/K9/K7/K6/K5/K4/K3/K2. I wouldn't have a problem with getting the money in against this villain type.
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Old 01-04-2014, 07:31 PM   #3
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Re: 10/20 CZK KJ on the button facing turn shove

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If he previously called a 3b from the BB with Q2, why are you now ranging him exclusively to quality starting hands (i.e. AA, AK, AQ, QQ, 88)? If he's actually a LAG he should be 3betting preflop with AA/QQ/AK. I can understand being a little concerned about KQ/K8/88, but other than that this is a pretty good board for you. Villain has a wide calling range preflop and can often take this line with KT/K9/K7/K6/K5/K4/K3/K2. I wouldn't have a problem with getting the money in against this villain type.
Your ranging advice is exactly what I'm interested in, thanks. To answer your question: because I'm a recfish with MUBS, bigger bets are enough to generate red flags, and while I wasn't scared money by any means (liferoll is secure, just playing for fun, thanks) I was psychologically affected by him having the goods against me in several previous hands. Couldn't bear the thought of this guy clobbering me again with a stupid full house like in the Q2 hand.

I also didn't like being the mark at the table, made me uncomfortable. Zero hours of live play means I don't even have an A-game, much less knowing whether I'm on it or not.
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Old 01-05-2014, 01:36 AM   #4
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Re: 10/20 CZK KJ on the button facing turn shove

If this is not the lowest buy-in game available, move down until you feel more comfortable.
I guess your comfort is only acquired with live experience.

Good luck.
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Old 01-06-2014, 11:55 AM   #5
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Re: 10/20 CZK KJ on the button facing turn shove

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If this is not the lowest buy-in game available, move down until you feel more comfortable.
I guess your comfort is only acquired with live experience.

Good luck.
Not really possible to get much lower live than the equivalent of .50/1 USD. I'm only playing for fun at stakes I can afford to lose at (I did say I'm a rec player), but I would like to get as close to 'comfortable' as possible making decisions when I am at the tables.

Anyway, I called, he showed AQ and got felted. That made my session
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Old 01-06-2014, 08:29 PM   #6
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Honestly, and I really mean this, it seems like you know what you are doing. Playing in a bona-fide low stakes nlhe game you take into consideration your image and that of your opponents', relevant histories, table mood, dynamics, stack sizes, and you are able to include ranging as an aspect of your playing through a hand.

If there was a way to do it, I would bet that you were among the top two, if not the best player on the table. They simply recognized you as a spot simply because of your polite (maybe even meek?) demeanor, and your self-admitted uncomfortableness on the table. If anything, they were near openly colluding when you were in the pot, but you already knew that.

Hand was played optimally. The way bb played his Q2 hand, shows he simply does not play well and clicks random buttons. This makes the turn call/jam a simple one.

You really need to get more confident on the table, as you certainly have the skills to do so. Play more, enjoy it, and don't care so much of what others think of your game/table presence. Many ppl would be lucky to be in a life position to play cards for fun in some small exotic town in the middle of nowhere.
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Old 01-06-2014, 08:56 PM   #7
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Re: 10/20 CZK KJ on the button facing turn shove

Czechs around to Hero (ha ha ha)

this made me laugh
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