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1 buy in 60 BB's 1-3 LIVE NL whats your strategy 1 buy in 60 BB's 1-3 LIVE NL whats your strategy

02-13-2016 , 04:33 PM
Before you respond saying 60 bb /1 buy is -ev, wont work if you only have that much money , get a job , you need 30 buys to play blah , blah , blah ,etc.
Thats not what im asking, I was having conversation about this, you got 1 bullet and max bi is 300 so its not even full bullet but whats your strategy?? as far as the game 1-3 local casino usually 1/3 ****ty regs 1/3 fish 1/3 decent regs as far as table dynamics.
My advice was play super tight use position to take adv of certain situations to see cheap flops but try to stay out of drawing hands ,when out of position only play premiums , and when and if you hit flop bet it hard , and when your opponent is drawing and or didnt hit flop bet it hard ,and oh ya dont bluff.
whats yours???
02-13-2016 , 04:34 PM
Have fun sir...just gamble it up and see what happens. Strat is pretty worthless here.
02-13-2016 , 04:54 PM
The question is incomplete. What is the goal for coming in with just just 60 BB to play?

If it is just to have fun at the poker table rather than dumping into the slots, then just gamble and have fun. If it is to make it last as long as possible until your friends are ready to leave, then play tight and don't stack off without the near nuts. If it is to get as drunk as possible, play just AA and KK and tip the cocktail waitress a redbird every time she brings you a drink. Your table will be hit every time she comes out.

Unless you run exceptionally hot, you're going to lose that 60BB if you try to adjust to just having that amount to play with. There's no way to compensate for the fact that you can't afford to lose everything. It is just a matter of time.
02-13-2016 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
The question is incomplete. What is the goal for coming in with just just 60 BB to play?

If it is just to have fun at the poker table rather than dumping into the slots, then just gamble and have fun. If it is to make it last as long as possible until your friends are ready to leave, then play tight and don't stack off without the near nuts. If it is to get as drunk as possible, play just AA and KK and tip the cocktail waitress a redbird every time she brings you a drink. Your table will be hit every time she comes out.

Unless you run exceptionally hot, you're going to lose that 60BB if you try to adjust to just having that amount to play with. There's no way to compensate for the fact that you can't afford to lose everything. It is just a matter of time.
the goal would be at least to double up and open up range or double up and leave , get up to 500 call it a nite , the goal is to win some money.
02-13-2016 , 05:14 PM
Buy in for the minimum.

Play a standard short stack strategy. Play very tight, like TT+ and AQ+. Raise everything you play. Plan to gii either pre or on the flop.

If you double up, move tables and reset to table min.

Playing short-stacked gives you an advantage over the rest of the table if they're playing deep-stacked. Don't let anyone tell you this is negative EV. It's not. It's just less EV than playing well while deep-stacked.
02-13-2016 , 05:20 PM
I ALWAYS buy in short. But I always have lots of bullets in my pocket.

I go into every hand thinking that I am playing for my stack. Typically the stack is in the pot on the flop, sometimes the turn if for some reason I play in a limped pot (which doesn't happen very open!). Tight and splashy, is how I described it in another post.

If I double or triple up, I adjust my game to deeeper stack play. But i love short stack play, it is pretty damn simple.

A dream scenario is a maniac that is raising 20%+ of hands, a few regs that have gotten into the habit of calling him light. Then we push to commit, play the maniac heads up with 5-15 BB of dead money in the pot. Our pushing range just has to be a little tighter than the maniacs raising range (even less so if he will play fit or fold and doesn't realize we are pot committed either way!). The dead money in these LL games can be huge when everyone else is sitting on deep stacks.
02-13-2016 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Case2
Buy in for the minimum.

Play a standard short stack strategy. Play very tight, like TT+ and AQ+. Raise everything you play. Plan to gii either pre or on the flop.

If you double up, move tables and reset to table min.

Playing short-stacked gives you an advantage over the rest of the table if they're playing deep-stacked. Don't let anyone tell you this is negative EV. It's not. It's just less EV than playing well while deep-stacked.
I would disagree buying for min when you only have 80$ more may as well just buy in for 180$ and get a little more wiggle room
02-13-2016 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Aust1227
I ALWAYS buy in short. But I always have lots of bullets in my pocket.

I go into every hand thinking that I am playing for my stack. Typically the stack is in the pot on the flop, sometimes the turn if for some reason I play in a limped pot (which doesn't happen very open!). Tight and splashy, is how I described it in another post.

If I double or triple up, I adjust my game to deeeper stack play. But i love short stack play, it is pretty damn simple.

A dream scenario is a maniac that is raising 20%+ of hands, a few regs that have gotten into the habit of calling him light. Then we push to commit, play the maniac heads up with 5-15 BB of dead money in the pot. Our pushing range just has to be a little tighter than the maniacs raising range (even less so if he will play fit or fold and doesn't realize we are pot committed either way!). The dead money in these LL games can be huge when everyone else is sitting on deep stacks.
i agree this was a particular convo i was having w/friend about situatio he was in i almost always bi for about 80bb then if i bust buy in max
02-13-2016 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by gary locksmith
the goal would be at least to double up and open up range or double up and leave , get up to 500 call it a nite , the goal is to win some money.
Isn't this the goal of every person sitting at the table? Basically stating it doesn't really mean anything. Point is you can't just say "hey I'll double up and then leave". You are going to lose some hands you get in as an 80/20 fave preflop.

You can play a short stack strat and still lose a hand and you have no back up.
02-13-2016 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by bwslim69
Isn't this the goal of every person sitting at the table? Basically stating it doesn't really mean anything. Point is you can't just say "hey I'll double up and then leave". You are going to lose some hands you get in as an 80/20 fave preflop.

You can play a short stack strat and still lose a hand and you have no back up.
yes the guys said my post was incomplete and asked what the goal was so i answered the obvious and yes i realize you can lose some hands as a fav me personally my ranges / style of play depend on table dynamics and stack sizes just trying to ask community question i was presented thats all ...how you would play in the certain situation ...not how it could end up
02-13-2016 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by bwslim69
Isn't this the goal of every person sitting at the table? Basically stating it doesn't really mean anything. Point is you can't just say "hey I'll double up and then leave". You are going to lose some hands you get in as an 80/20 fave preflop.

You can play a short stack strat and still lose a hand and you have no back up.
and why couldnt you have a goal to double up and leave? i mean if you get it in good and dosent happen oh well didnt work ,,,but if you double up and leave you accomplished your goal , whats wrong with saying that before you play?? i see people all the time double up and donk it all off...
02-13-2016 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by gary locksmith
the goal would be at least to double up and open up range or double up and leave , get up to 500 call it a nite , the goal is to win some money.
Playing with 60BB is the worst of both worlds. You're not really short stacking, so you just can't get it in with a draw or TP. At the same time, you don't have enough to play any IO hands profitably long term. I'm assuming that a constraint is that you don't have more than 60BB. Therefore, your only real strategy is play good short stack game with 30BB. Raise 5BB+ pf with a premium hand and jam the flop if you have TP+ or a good draw.
02-13-2016 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Aust1227
I ALWAYS buy in short. But I always have lots of bullets in my pocket.

I go into every hand thinking that I am playing for my stack. Typically the stack is in the pot on the flop, sometimes the turn if for some reason I play in a limped pot (which doesn't happen very open!). Tight and splashy, is how I described it in another post.

If I double or triple up, I adjust my game to deeeper stack play. But i love short stack play, it is pretty damn simple.

A dream scenario is a maniac that is raising 20%+ of hands, a few regs that have gotten into the habit of calling him light. Then we push to commit, play the maniac heads up with 5-15 BB of dead money in the pot. Our pushing range just has to be a little tighter than the maniacs raising range (even less so if he will play fit or fold and doesn't realize we are pot committed either way!). The dead money in these LL games can be huge when everyone else is sitting on deep stacks.
I love being in spots like your dream scenario too. I usually buy in for 100bb with lots of top up cash in my pocket. The max is 150bb. Main reason I don't buy in for 150bb is I'm just not comfortable playing deep.

Decisions are so easy with a 100bb stack. Eventually I'd like to get better playing deep tho. I've no doubt that as most experience members here advocate, playing deep with a skill advantage is the most profitable strategy long term.
02-13-2016 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
Playing with 60BB is the worst of both worlds. You're not really short stacking, so you just can't get it in with a draw or TP. At the same time, you don't have enough to play any IO hands profitably long term. I'm assuming that a constraint is that you don't have more than 60BB. Therefore, your only real strategy is play good short stack game with 30BB. Raise 5BB+ pf with a premium hand and jam the flop if you have TP+ or a good draw.
This is the answer to your question. You are better off buying in shorter than 66bb. You can just sit and play right poker and hope you catch cards. Be prepared to go home in an hour if variance isn't on your side.
02-13-2016 , 08:00 PM
whats my strategy with 180 bucks at a 1/3 game? Just run good. Thats it. You've got no room for error. Play perfectly and get dealt good cards.
02-13-2016 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by gary locksmith
and why couldnt you have a goal to double up and leave? i mean if you get it in good and dosent happen oh well didnt work ,,,but if you double up and leave you accomplished your goal , whats wrong with saying that before you play?? i see people all the time double up and donk it all off...

lol this is asinine
02-13-2016 , 08:18 PM
Buy in for 1bb and Martingale, yo.
02-13-2016 , 09:03 PM
I think 40bb is the online poker standard. Makes more sense in regards to what Venice was saying.
02-13-2016 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by bwslim69
lol this is asinine
why is that ? let me ask you , you have 180$ thats it to play and your gonna play, what would your goal be ? the question was presented to me I know how i would play, but then someone asked what would the goal be?? well for this guy that asked it sure wasnt to go have fun and gamble his goal was to go to play and try to make a couple bucks ,wtf else would you play for enlighten me smart ass .ill hang up and listen. basically i would play tight as a rock use position try to double up and then use more of a tag style but all depend on table dynamics. what would do?? im curious because you come in thread with your lol saying this is asinine....what makes you such a smart character ?? im curious??
02-13-2016 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by spikeraw22
I think 40bb is the online poker standard. Makes more sense in regards to what Venice was saying.
ya he makes some sense the kid isnt exactly bad player or beginner though, so not like he has to shove b/c he lacks skill
02-13-2016 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by gary locksmith
ya he makes some sense the kid isnt exactly bad player or beginner though, so not like he has to shove b/c he lacks skill
He may not "lack skill" but he lacks money and BB. The most optimal way to play would be 2 90$ bullets. You've basically got everything out of this as you can expect given the question.
02-13-2016 , 11:08 PM
My standard buyin for a $1/$3 game is $200 (close to you) and I rebuy about half the time. However, I also have a pocket bankroll, so it's not the same. I just can't think of playing without some kind of rebuy.

You want to win $320 on a $180 buyin ($500), while possible, it's unlikely. Still, if I was in that spot, I would probably buyin for $60, with two reloads. On the initial buy, I would play very tight, until I found a +EV spot and shove (including draws).
02-14-2016 , 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr_Doomed
He may not "lack skill" but he lacks money and BB. The most optimal way to play would be 2 90$ bullets. You've basically got everything out of this as you can expect given the question.
totally agree
02-14-2016 , 03:46 AM
if anyone cares went with ol boy tonite he bought in for 180 played tight as a rock and walked w/433$ after 3 hours enough to pay his cable bill and try again tomm, key hands 3 bet an early position 7$ raise to 25$ w/99 hit set against aQ on AK9 board got re raised all in for a double up and then he won another decent pot when some kid made hero river call w/3rd pair. didnt do bad myself game was saturday nite fishy
02-14-2016 , 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by JayKon
My standard buyin for a $1/$3 game is $200 (close to you) and I rebuy about half the time. However, I also have a pocket bankroll, so it's not the same. I just can't think of playing without some kind of rebuy.

You want to win $320 on a $180 buyin ($500), while possible, it's unlikely. Still, if I was in that spot, I would probably buyin for $60, with two reloads. On the initial buy, I would play very tight, until I found a +EV spot and shove (including draws).
btw min bi is 100$ personally i hate doin that makes me feel even more naked lol so i told him just get the 180 in if you win a hand or 2 youll make more money
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