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If he calls your river bet with QQ+ (which I have no idea if he does) then you're winning 75% of the time, and I don't mind your post-flop line at all.

Well-played.

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07-03-2014 , 09:09 PM

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ozmosis313

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fold or 4b preflop calling will bleed chips vs this player.
Also not a fan of the shove. he bet like 10% of the pot when it's obvious you might have the flush.
So he is either block bet folding kk,aa or inducing with qq. I may be wrong, but I don't see you getting much value from worse. kk or aa calling a river shove on that board given the action. Not to mention they probably don't bet this super fishy sizing. And flush over flush is pretty nonexistent given both his starting hand range you give him from this position and his history of playing draws aggressively. ie) he probably bet/3bets decent flush draw on flop when you raise.

Last edited by ozmosis313; 07-03-2014 at 09:17 PM.

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07-04-2014 , 04:35 AM

#53

myshadow

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Pretty much hate this whole hand, but I can appreciate a bit of leveling between friends going on...

I'm never shoving the river. Way too thin. If it was a blocking bet, kudos to him for saving a bit of money, but there is virtually nothing that you beat which calls your $500 shove.

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07-04-2014 , 07:36 AM

#54

wj94

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Originally Posted by myshadow

What hands are you afraid of on river? QQ only? What if river was J

or T

? V can't have a hand like 8

or T

ever? If he has a flush instead of QQ he's probably going to assume that I'm the one with a big pair.

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07-04-2014 , 09:49 AM

#55

ThaNEWPr0fess0r

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I only skimmed though this one... Seems like everyone is giving this player way too much credit for being able to pick off our bluff if that what we choose to do. I'm hearing things like "we have no FE against over pairs and AK OTF" and "Villain is capable of 5b shoving his entire range if we 4b pre" well if thats the case, shouldn't Villain's title be changed from competent LAG to spew monkey calling station? Good players can fold over pairs... Right? If this guy won't fold A high to us, why don't we just stack him every time we've got any sort of hand?

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07-04-2014 , 12:56 PM

#56

myshadow

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Originally Posted by wj94

What hands are you afraid of on river? QQ only? What if river was J

or T

? V can't have a hand like 8

or T

ever? If he has a flush instead of QQ he's probably going to assume that I'm the one with a big pair.

The question of what hand I'm afraid of is less important here, than what worse hands are going to call your shove, and what better hands are going to fold?

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07-04-2014 , 01:16 PM

#57

myshadow

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You also need to consider what his lolsmall river bet means on the river. It's either a blocking bet, in which case he folds to your shove, or an inducing bet, in which he fistpump calls. And it's SO small, imo, that it's a rather transparent inducing bet.

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07-05-2014 , 12:01 AM

#58

daniel9861

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Originally Posted by javale mc g

imo we are in an awkward spot because of how we played the hand on previous streets, but r/folding the top of our range, getting such good odds, vs a obv in hero´s eyes capable villain must be the nut worst line.

Curious to hear what worse hands 3bet river for $400 more. Or even $250 more.

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07-05-2014 , 12:05 AM

#59

au4all

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Originally Posted by daniel9861

Curious to hear what worse hands 3bet river for $400 more. Or even $250 more.

There was no 3-bet on the river.

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