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Old 07-01-2014, 02:18 PM   #1
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1/3NL: River a straight on flush board, get shoved on by straddler

Hand at Wynn...

Hero ($600): Late 20's reg, probably seen as more aggro. Got it in with 22 vs A5 on an A24 board for 130bb earlier, V turned a straight and held. Couple hands later I 3b QQ from SB against the PFR and he snap shoved $400 so had to fold that one. One orbit before this one an old guy raised to $10, MP called, I called on button with K3hh. Flop J45 checked around, turn 2 checked to MP who bet $15, I raised to $55, MP called. River A, MP checked I bet $115 and he called with what he said was two pair.

V ($405): Older guy probably in his 60's, obvious tourist here with a friend, seems like massive fish, limp/calling a lot.

V straddles $6 UTG. Player in MP with $500 stack limps, hero raises to $25 on the button with 89. BB (V's friend) calls with $500 effective, V calls, limper calls.

Flop ($101): 763

BB checks, V checks, limper checks, hero bets $75. BB folds, V thinks for maybe 10 seconds and calls, limper also calls (come on 5...)

Turn ($326): K

V checks, limper checks, hero checks.

River ($326): 5

V takes about 15 seconds and announces all-in for $305, limper looks annoyed and folds. Call or fold?
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Old 07-01-2014, 02:40 PM   #2
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Re: 1/3NL: River a straight on flush board, get shoved on by straddler

Ugly. Not sure I can fold this. Such a great card for him to bluff (is he good enough?) or bet with two pair (thinking he's ahead). Your check on the turn and his 15 second stall on the river make me want to call even more.

Basically, with the info you've given and the way the hand was played, I call, but ideally I want to be at the table to get a feel for what's going on.
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Old 07-01-2014, 02:42 PM   #3
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Can a massive fish value own himself with 2pr/set on this board? Does he get here with enough 4x combos? Weighted against flushes that are always betting, I would say no, and muck the hand.
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Old 07-01-2014, 02:44 PM   #4
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Re: 1/3NL: River a straight on flush board, get shoved on by straddler

I've been thinking about it more, and I'm not sure he would go all in against two players without a flush. Maybe folding is best, but I really hate it.
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Old 07-01-2014, 05:52 PM   #5
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Re: 1/3NL: River a straight on flush board, get shoved on by straddler

c/behind otf. would really suck to get raised here, also you prob got little FE multiway.

as played, prob fold, hes shoving into 2 on a ultra scary board, need more prove he is a btn clicker/shove happy to call here imo.
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Old 07-01-2014, 08:45 PM   #6
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Re: 1/3NL: River a straight on flush board, get shoved on by straddler

River sucks because you are beating at least some of the hands he could shove here but he probably has more flushes in his range then anything else. I see villains slow play flushes OOP here all the time, way more then they should. Then when river hits villain figures he might get called by a straight but nothing less then a straight/flush can play on river so he might as well shove. Assuming he has a big flush it isn't a bad play really.

Without a specific read that villain wouldn't slow play a flush on turn, I think I let this one go.
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Old 07-01-2014, 09:07 PM   #7
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Re: 1/3NL: River a straight on flush board, get shoved on by straddler

It would be a perfect bluff with Ac, but is V good enough for that? I can't imagine V puts H on a straight, so he could be doing this with two pair. Still have the other player, though. Sadly, I'm even more convinced it's a fold.
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Old 07-02-2014, 01:33 PM   #8
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Re: 1/3NL: River a straight on flush board, get shoved on by straddler

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Old 07-02-2014, 04:48 PM   #9
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Re: 1/3NL: River a straight on flush board, get shoved on by straddler

I should always go with my first instinct
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