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06-06-2019 , 12:02 PM
Background:
1. Hero is quite new to the table. Just lost a hand at showdown and seems tilted.
2. Villain looks competent, maybe a bit aggressive. No history, never played with him before.

Positions:
BU Hero ($300): Young AM, tight
UTG+1 Villain ($550): Young AM

Preflop:
V straddles to $6
HJ calls $6
Hero calls $6 with Q9
SB, BB fold
V checks

Flop ($19): J63
V bets $15
LJ folds
Hero calls

Turn ($49): J638
V bets $25

Hero action?

Thoughts:
1. I did not raise pre because I had just lost a pot at showdown and looked tilted; I did not want to be called lightly and have to bluff at the pot.
2. The flop float was with the intention to see a Turn card, many which could be decent for my hand. I don't often make this flop call, but we were deep enough, 3-handed, and I had position on V.
3. If the Turn card was a brick, I would have folded to aggression.
4. Given that the 8s is one of the best cards on the Turn for us, what is the play here?

Last edited by canadiasian; 06-06-2019 at 12:22 PM. Reason: Edit: stack sizes
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06-06-2019 , 12:19 PM
I'm fine with getting into a hand for relatively cheap on the Button with a speculative hand. I think some will argue for a raise, but the shorter we are (and we're just 40bbs with the straddle on) the more I think an overlimp is better.

I just fold the flop. I typically try stealing pots facing weakness, not aggression.

I'm either/or on the turn. I think a raise is fine and will get lots of hands to fold, and if we're called we still should have good equity. But I also think a flat is fine and if we whiff we can consider bluffing the river if checked to, because there aren't any real flop draws to be bluffing (so a bet looks quite valuey); it also prevents running into monsters that reraise us off our draw.

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06-06-2019 , 12:22 PM
I would raise regardless here pre to $30.

Flop is a fold, and when you said you're deep enough to float, I'm not sure what you mean as the hand was started with 83 BB.

We can't really rep anything here on the turn so I just call and hope we hit
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06-06-2019 , 01:05 PM
With a tilted image, I fold pre. I'm never raising in this spot with this hand if people think I'm tilted.

I am definitely folding flop. Not sure what you were thinking? You are not deep.

I guess now that you are here, call the turn. If you think he's really weak, raise, but be prepared to re-load. With a tilted image, you are not going to get much respect, and that line looks a bit FOS on this turn.
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06-06-2019 , 01:37 PM
You guys are right - I thought we were deep enough for some reason.

It's possible that he raised up front to $6 and that it wasn't a straddle.

I remember thinking at the time that I would have implied odds if I hit and that there's no way he's folding to a big bet, based on the image I was projecting at the time.
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06-06-2019 , 01:46 PM
You are not deep here at all. With the straddle you’re actually only 50bb’s deep.
I don’t hate a limp OTB here, but the flop is an easy fold.
AP I think you may as well flat the turn and hope for a money card, but getting in these spots often is a huge leak.
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06-06-2019 , 02:37 PM
AP 80 and then shove riv
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06-06-2019 , 02:43 PM
$100
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06-06-2019 , 02:47 PM
I probably raise pre or just fold. Not sure if appearing tilted actually makes a big deal to be honest.

If we call pre, i just fold this flop. Why play big pot with nothing. We are not deep, don't have much fold equity. Why are we chasing.
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06-07-2019 , 05:15 AM
Close but i probably still raise pre.

Flop clear fold

Ott i just call, dont want to bluff in this spot with a tilted image
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06-07-2019 , 06:20 AM
I agree with javanewt when you have a tilted image pf, but calling isn't a horrible decision with the button. Nobody is folding to your raise pf if they think you're tilting and you have a losing image. Q9 isn't the hand to have to go to showdown with.

That said, WHAT IN GOD'S NAME ARE YOU THINKING ON THE FLOP?

The villain bets into two people. You have a backdoor flush draw and a backdoor gutshot straight draw with one over. You're a 57/43 underdog against a random range. You have a bad image. If there is ever a time that you should be folding, it is on this flop. If it isn''t at this point blazingly clear to you, you should take a week off from poker and read a couple of intro books to get the fundamentals down of the game.
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06-07-2019 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by venice10
I agree with javanewt when you have a tilted image pf, but calling isn't a horrible decision with the button. Nobody is folding to your raise pf if they think you're tilting and you have a losing image. Q9 isn't the hand to have to go to showdown with.

That said, WHAT IN GOD'S NAME ARE YOU THINKING ON THE FLOP?

The villain bets into two people. You have a backdoor flush draw and a backdoor gutshot straight draw with one over. You're a 57/43 underdog against a random range. You have a bad image. If there is ever a time that you should be folding, it is on this flop. If it isn''t at this point blazingly clear to you, you should take a week off from poker and read a couple of intro books to get the fundamentals down of the game.
Thanks for the advice.

To be fair, I have a very tight image at my card room, so I wanted to try and capitalize on what "appeared" to be tilt (I wasn't tilted at all actually).

FYI, I almost never float these flops like this, and I was willing to make an outlandish play to advertise a little. I figured if I did somehow manage to back into a flush/straight, I could get paid off huge on the River.

In general, I am a fairly tight player that probably overfolds to aggression and calls weak bets too often. Overall, still mildly profitable after many years.

Point taken that most here do not like the way this hand was played LOL.
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06-07-2019 , 11:45 AM
Flop is whatever. Get to the next action.
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06-07-2019 , 12:12 PM
fold the flop, you have no pair or draw.
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06-07-2019 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by canadiasian
Thanks for the advice.



To be fair, I have a very tight image at my card room, so I wanted to try and capitalize on what "appeared" to be tilt (I wasn't tilted at all actually).



FYI, I almost never float these flops like this, and I was willing to make an outlandish play to advertise a little. I figured if I did somehow manage to back into a flush/straight, I could get paid off huge on the River.



In general, I am a fairly tight player that probably overfolds to aggression and calls weak bets too often. Overall, still mildly profitable after many years.



Point taken that most here do not like the way this hand was played LOL.
Take the racial profiling with a grain of salt here, but it may help you in the future. You are new to the table and lost a hand at showdown and have no history with the villian. Young Asian male does not have a default "tight" image here. Expect to be looked up light until you prove that's a bad plan for the Vs.

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06-07-2019 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Lordkjun
Take the racial profiling with a grain of salt here, but it may help you in the future. You are new to the table and lost a hand at showdown and have no history with the villian. Young Asian male does not have a default "tight" image here. Expect to be looked up light until you prove that's a bad plan for the Vs.

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I love the racial profiling when it works. Anytime I go to a new place people never ever believe me. But that means I just have to have it every time.

I was new to the table, and the Villain was the only player I had never played with before. I frequent this card room a lot, so the other players at the table know that I'm quite tight.

I understand the flop should be a fold.; call it spew/advertising to the table or whichever.

My main question about this hand is given that I got to the Turn this way, and given that I hit a very good card, I wanted to know if calling or raising is correct here. I also had a >70% feeling that I would be called on the River if I made my hand.

Results:
Spoiler:

Turn ($49):
Hero calls $25

River ($109): J6385
Villain bets $25
Hero raises to $125
Villain calls fairly quickly, chuckles when Hero turns over hand and mucks

Takeaways are:
1. I wanted to look like I was FOS, and it looks like it worked.
2. I should not attempt to bluff the River ever in this situation if a blank comes.
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06-07-2019 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by canadiasian
I love the racial profiling when it works. Anytime I go to a new place people never ever believe me. But that means I just have to have it every time.

I was new to the table, and the Villain was the only player I had never played with before. I frequent this card room a lot, so the other players at the table know that I'm quite tight.

I understand the flop should be a fold.; call it spew/advertising to the table or whichever.

My main question about this hand is given that I got to the Turn this way, and given that I hit a very good card, I wanted to know if calling or raising is correct here. I also had a >70% feeling that I would be called on the River if I made my hand.

Results:
Spoiler:

Turn ($49):
Hero calls $25

River ($109): J6385
Villain bets $25
Hero raises to $125
Villain calls fairly quickly, chuckles when Hero turns over hand and mucks

Takeaways are:
1. I wanted to look like I was FOS, and it looks like it worked.
2. I should not attempt to bluff the River ever in this situation if a blank comes.
You can just fold riv when you flat turn. If raising turn you’re ideally going to make a sizing choice that creates the best scenario for your whole range over both streets. I mean, the likely great thing about a game like this, is that you can choose exploitable sizing when you want folds now, call-folds, or call-calls depending on your actual hand. The guy here is mostly just toast when you call, raise turn, shove river.
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