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1/3NL: NFD against Station and Myself 1/3NL: NFD against Station and Myself

11-03-2014 , 08:40 AM
For this hand I was one of the Vs, and hero is a friend who was playing with me at the time. My range will be fairly easily defined here as a villian due to the dynamics of the hand, and my friend had question marks about each decision in the hand.

Table dynamics:

Tonnes of multi-way pots for raises under $15 at the table, which contains 6 fairly fishy players, as well as myself, hero, and another TAG. These 6 fishy players include two super stations who hate to fold at pretty much any point of the hand, and as such the 3 TAGs are playing a fairly patient value-oriented game whilst the 6 weaker players exchange money amongst each other.

Hero ($275): Late 20s German, playing by far the tightest at the table due to a combination of being card-dead and the table dynamics,definitely playing TAG when in a hand and when choosing to be in a hand. However only the two TAGs at the table probably even care about my image. Perceived as very tight and generally only showing strength with strong draws or strong hands by V1.

V1 (Covers): Early 20s Indian (Me), although capable of playing LAG, has been playing text-book TAG due to the table dynamics. Has also been catching cards to build a stack. Knows hero's game well enough to be able to call out hero's cards without seeing them consistently, and as such hero has been avoiding playing pots with V1 as much as possible. Is capable of hero folding, especially against players he perceives as very tight.

V2 ($300): 40s White male, one of the two super-stations at the table, seems very inexperienced regarding casino play, and also doesn't care about calling big bets. Won a large pot earlier after calling two PSBs OTF and OTT w/Q4o on 57886hhxxh, then checking behind river.


Onto the hand:

V1 opens UTG to $15, 2 calls (one super station, one reg-fish) to V2 OTB who calls, SB calls (reg-fish).

Hero calls with AJ in the BB

6 ways to the flop:

Flop ($90): Q93

SB checks, hero checks (?), V1 bets $70, folded to V2 who calls, hero?



In this spot, my range as V1 should be fairly obvious as QJs, KQs, AQ, KK, AA, 99, QQ; and even V2's range should be fairly straight forwards as any pair, any flush draw, any straight draw, and occasionally A-hi.

The real questions are:

1. Fold, call or 3B pre? (Almost certainly not 3B, leaning towards call but not 100% sure on this)


2. Lead or check flop? (Probably check since we have relative position on V1?)


3. Fold, call, or CRAI when we're closing the flop action? (All 3 seem to have merit here)
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11-03-2014 , 09:16 AM
Flat.
We can get all the value that we need from V2 when we hit.
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11-03-2014 , 09:24 AM
Eh, pretty sure you are only seeing 1 if you flat here, I'd use your tight image and try and get any FE (albeit I think we have little) you can get now and shove. I don't really think it's that close either.

Pre is w/e.
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11-03-2014 , 09:40 AM
Given the table dynamics, the main goal isn't nearly so much to play good unexploitable poker against the good TAG, but to get fat margins of EV against the fish. The fact that the good TAG has opened UTG and we're OOP to him makes this all-the-more the case.

An iso squeeze isn't going to be very effective against villain's UTG PFR, and our hand is *plenty* strong enough to win big pots against described fish to justify a call. Jxx alone is enough to get stacks if things go right postflop.

OTF, I check for the exact reason you point out. Our relative position to an aggressive PFR gives us a good opportunity to see exactly how many fish are going to be left in the pot after a bet, for what price, how likely we are to get some folds on a raise, etc. I don't think villain is going to cbet unless he has something, but obviously it's not a disaster to see a turn with this hand.

Now, I flat. Again, the best line to take against V1 isn't all that important here. The two of you are just racing to the best hand to see who can stack V2. We're practically getting immediate odds to our flush draw (and we close the action on the flop), we obviously have massive IO to V2's stack (and have a great chance of getting at least one more bet out of V1 if our flush completes), and there are a few other turn cards + action that can allow us to win the pot, too.
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11-03-2014 , 12:58 PM
This sounds like the type of table where Hero should always top off his stack before each hand.

Hero should also get a seat change immediately as having V1 on our immediate left sucks.

I also sigh call preflop. We have a dominated hand OOP and would rather be playing a limped pot keeping the SPR sky high, but closing the action getting good odds and being very multiway with a nice multiway hand, I'm also seeing a flop.

V1 obviously is betting for value against this fishy multiway field, so his range here is QQ+, and that's it (maybe 99/33, but if so then I hate preflop at this table). We're getting over 3:1 and have the fish trapped in the hand. V1 is unlikely to pay us off, although he might get to the river with QQ, but V2 is very likely to pay us off. I would just flat. I think we actually have FE against V1 if he has AA/KK, but we should have zero FE against the fish, so I wouldn't raise.

At these types of tables, I just tend to see a flop for as cheap as possible, attempt to hit a monster, and then ask for people to hand me their money (and they typically oblige). Anything else is FPS, imo.

ETA: Actually, flop is a lot closer than I originally thought. Pot is already stupid huge $230 when it gets to us, so we only have a little over a PSB left. We have fold equity against V1's AA/KK, and are even flipping against KK if he calls. This pot is worth winning at this point, I actually probably like a shove better. The only thing that is holding me back slightly is V1's play. Is he the type to stack off in a 6way pot with AA/KK, cuz that's what he is doing here with his big flop bet. If he ain't that type, it really narrows his range to like QQ (where obviously we would then be getting in our money as a big dog).

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