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Originally Posted by BigK
I like the check on the turn. You aren't getting 3 streets of value with your hand and it sucks to get check-raised especially if you did turn backdoor diamonds.
You can make a strong case for folding the river. Villain is a tag reg which makes me more inclined to think he is a competent player. Villain shouldn't have any air at all on the river since there aren't any draws at all. You c-bet into 3 players so you don't have air which means villain shouldn't be floating you with A-high.
Yes you underrepped your hand, but that's not a bad thing. You have to ask yourself what hands is villain betting that you beat? He has no bluffs and all his pairs have sdv meaning he'll c/c a reasonable sized value bet. You beat only KJ, KT and K9, but from the size of villain's value bet, it seems unlikely to be the case as he should be value betting closer to half-pot.
Unless you have reads here where villain will spazz out with hands like 99 or 97, I'd fold here. At a first look, folding looks highly exploitable, but in reality, what's happening here is YOU'RE exploiting villain for his failure to bluff the river in this spot with an appropriate frequency.
Yup. Exactly. The whole thing about having underrepped our hand only matters if V has a well-constructed range. Most V's do not have any bluffs here. I don't find this convincing at all:
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Originally Posted by $FishWreck$
A sophisticated player could be floating OOP here. The other two V's folded the flop before he called. Hero bet only 1/2 psb on flop, which makes some V's suspicious.
People don't float OOP versus a 4-handed bet. Nobody reading this has ever done that. It happens at LLSNL with a frequency that is statistically identical to 0%. It's correct play that it doesn't happen, because the bet there 4-handed is going to be heavily value oriented. Moreover, you're trying to have it both ways here with V - that is, he's a player sophisticated enough to OOP float, but unsophisticated enough that he gets "suspicious" when facing a completely normally sized cbet.