- $175 effective. V1 has $175, V2 has $400, Hero has $400.
- Hero TAG has not shown down any hands, and won a few pots
- V1 - Loose and Calling Station. Been playing about 50% of hands
- V2 - Tight and Passive.

OTTH: Straddle to $6, 6 limpers including Hero w/ J9cc in CO and V1 in SB. V2 in BB raises to $21. V1 and Hero calls.

Pot $87: Flop J63ddc V1 checks, V2 c-bets for $35. Hero Calls and V1 goes all in for $120. V2 tank folds and Hero ?? ($85 to call)

Am I priced in to call here?

Is there a club on the board?

Yes 3 of clubs

85 to win (87+35 + 35 +120 + 85) = 362
You need more than 23.5% equity.

do the math.

fold pre

I'm also overlimping preflop. Just trying to get into a hand for cheap with a speculative hand and pretty good position.

Facing the preflop raise I think I have an interesting contradiction in my thinking. From BB's perspective, I think he's making a decent mistake with his small raise, especially if he has a big hand (like a big pair), because he just offered us about 30+:1 IO to make the call in position on him in what will be an SPR ~6ish pot (i.e. we can make him play for stacks trivially postflop). Having said that, I'm still not sure if I'm in love with our preflop call, especially considering sometimes we're dominated by bigger hands when we flop well and get coolered. I'm not sure if it's a contradiction or not; it might be the case that both of us our making mistakes at the same time, I'm not sure.

I would probably also call the cbet. It's a pretty small cbet for a drawy board (you'd think a big pair might bet more), and if we are behind we're getting about 3.5 to 1 and probably have 5 outs (8.5:1, with the backdoor draw that could make up some of this in position). Although we do have the other guy behind us which could put a wrench into things (which ends up happening).

Next time spell out the math for us (i.e. what we have to call for what we have to win). Guy is passive; does he do this with a draw? Pot might be big enough / his stack small enough for him to do that. Might have to sigh call if he's capable of pushing a draw.

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raise pre. call flop but its marginal and stupid and why you dont limp.

+1

Preflop play isn't bad. Hero put in 1.5% of stack overlimping in position. There are villains with similar sized stacks. Getting in cheap with J9s is worth a shot from the CO. Focusing on the villain with a smaller stack (before he raises) is being results oriented.

I don't love raising with J9s. It plays well multiway, and there are a ton of hands that will dominate you and flat call. If table is such that you can raise with ATC from this position intending to win w/o SD, then raising is fine.

AP, fold. Absent a strong read, villain isn't betting a draw anywhere near a quarter of the time. (In truth, you need him to do it more than that.)

Only question is whether to initially overlimp or raise pre. Folding j9s from the CO when MW and 200bb deep is pretty bad imo. At loose-passive tables overlimping is probably better.

AP, if he really plays 50% of hands pre, this should be a call on the flop. He could have worse J's, 45, flusdraws, etc. Obviously not loving it, but for this price...
People who play half the deck just show up with random hands too often in these spot.

Whenever I play a hand like this I feel like a huge fish. I mean, you called 4 times in this hand. However looking back each decision seems pretty reasonable.

It's pretty amazing that BB's dinky raise got it 3-way to the flop. Sucks but you have to call it off now against someone with 50% vpip as they can have a ton of weaker Jx and draws.

Also not sure between raising/limping pre. Apparently most of the table is extremely weak-tight and a raise will iso the SB or take it down a big % of the time, so I'd raise.

Raise pre and get in any TP hand if 30bb eff. AP call.