V1: loose passive. Called hero down 3 streets on K67T4 board with a flush on river, hero had 66 and was good. Has hit a few hands and chipped up slowly. Has about 350 to start the hand.

V2: 60s old black lady, but she plays pretty well. Has been very tight and staying out of bad spots. Overall very tight, not too aggressive. Has about 700 to start the hand.

Hero: has been showing down good hands and has a good winning image. Have shown down the aforementioned 66, also an AQ and AA which both were good for all ins. Playing pretty tight but trying to get into pots with the other big stacks. Has about 900 to start the hand.

Preflop: 2 limps from utg and utg1, V2 limps utg2, folds to hero who limps button with 9♧10♤, V1 limps SB and BB checks.

Flop-7 way (21): Q♡J♤7♤
V1 leads 10. Utg1 calls and V2 makes it 30. Hero calls on the button. V1 calls 20 more, utg 1 folds.

Turn-3 way (121): 8♡
V1 and V2 both check. Hero bets 110. V1 tank calls. V2 tank folds.

River -HU (341): 7♧
V1 nonchalantly goes all in for 247.

All streets appreciated! Thx 2p2!

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Fine as long as you folded river.

Fold the flop. You’ve got the dummy end of a straight draw and a number of your outs are dirty. (K could make better straight, FDs taint some of your outs)

AP; on the river I’m snap calling, 2 pair didn’t feel the need to protect itself on the flop or turn. Sure you’ll occasionally see wonky FH that got there, sometimes you’ll also see trips and want to beat yourself silly that you didn’t snap him off.


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Fold the flop, you have a raise by a tight straightforward player, 2 outs aren't clean and you're not even closing the action.

wp on all streets, call river. Dont listen to all this "dirty outs" nonsense. Scare cards have to be taken into context, and this is not a situation where it's likely you're up against flush draws and better straight draws.

1) I think something's off on your math for V1; either he's got closer to $400 to start hand or some other figure is off (3 + 30 + 110 + 247 = 390) - not a huge difference, but maybe just enough to effect how the hand plays on turn and/or river.

2) I'm gonna discount a set on flop for V1 due to the flop action as well as turn.

3) V2 raises flop and checks turn in the middle of a three-way? Then ck/folds? Likely naked draw that got cheap control for $30, but now isn't priced in.

4) Can you see V1 showing you A-7 based on action? You have five-card hand on river (straight, flush, FH) and if you're beat, I'm thinking V1 shows you Q7 or J7 as that would be likely call of raise on flop from OOP and tank on turn (with V2 left to act behind).

5) But because you're beating a wide range and getting about 5:2 for a call, I think folding is a worse decision.

Come on man at least defend you position. This guy is looking for help and you are just wasting space.


Preflop is fine if you are confident the blinds are very passive and won't squeeze.

River, its really close, but I lean towards a fold. I don't see a lot of people at 1/3 jamming their stack without the virtual nuts. Its really close with the likely holding of Q7, J7 getting there, and I don't see 7x betting the flop or shipping it in here.

I'm probably puke folding river. Smells a lot like a J7 or Q7 that got there on the river.

I think I'm ok with the flop call because V1 is passive and probably won't 3! although it's quite close.

You need to jam/overbet turn and end the hand there. As counter intuitive as that is with the nuts, there are now two flush draws and a redraw to a higher straight out, and any paired river can also kill your hand. Way too many bad cards possible on river with two players behind that puts you in a tough RIO situation. Take down the $121 if they fold. If they call to chase at least you got your money in good.

c/c c/c lead lines like this from loose passives are so strong, it's a fold.

He didnt check/call...check/call...lead
He bet flop...check/call turn...lead river

Thx for bringing up this line. I was thinking the exact same thing afterwards, should've gone 150-200 or more on turn, and really force their decision right there. Plus I had to leave within a couple of minutes, should've just taken it down and lock up a nice win.

I called flop because I was getting a decent price and I was pretty sure V1 wasn't going to reraise. V2 was also very deep and I thought I could work some magic on later streets depending on run outs.

Anyways, I just couldn't think of any hands that villain could have there to beat me, so i called. But honestly I didn't even consider J7/Q7, which I thought he would have folded on the turn cause he knows I'm not bluffing there. Also, villain is passive, that should've been another big indicator that I was beat.

Villain showed J♡7♡ and won a nice pot from me.

Note to self: if these low stake villains shove all in on river, even when they're representing such a small value range, they're going to have it.

Thanks for all the comments and thoughts all!

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True, thanks for correcting. Lead/call, c/c, lead is even more ominous than c/c c/c lead imo.

Yup, when a V does this MW, it's ALWAYS a monster.

The problem with presuming MW made a boat is that he would slow down with his sets. If you read someone for the bet bet bet type when they have monster hands then it becomes incredulous to think they'd bet call bet under the same scenario. Honestly I wouldnt be surprised if he had AQ or something ridiculous and leads the river because "i haz 2 pair tho".

Before I saw results, I was going to say that I expect villain to have either Q7 or J7 here the majority of the time. He limped the SB which he's literally doing with ATC (even 72o). He probably raises {JJ+, AK} pre and that's it. He leads out the flop which he's only doing with KQ or better, and he'll often have 2pr or bottom set here. He tanks on the turn because now his 2pr doesn't look so strong and he's worried about the straight, but despite his worry, the station inside him doesn't want to risk folding the best hand and he makes the sigh call. Once he leads river, he's always got it. Always.

How I'd play the hand:
1) Fold pre
2) As played, sigh call flop but I'm really not loving it.
3) As played, I like the turn bet. You sized it perfectly.
4) As played, I fold river and assume he has a boat or quads 90% of the time.

btw dont limp btn with 9To. In fact dont limp ever, if your hand is good enough to call with then you need to be raising instead, even in stationey fishy live games. Personally my unsuited connector raise range stops at JTo but I wouldnt fault anyone for including 9To at the worst.

Are you saying you'd never limp with 9To in live low stakes games? Even when we're over 200bb deep? With position? With good image and presumably skill advantage?

Yeah I played this hand poorly, but that doesn't take away the profitability of this hand with the above given assumptions.

I'd probably fold if I was playing vs tougher competition btw. I might raise if I was suited or there were less players in the pot, but folding this hand in this situation seemed too tight.

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Next time use different graphics or text for suits (I'm having a hard time reading those ones).

I'm fine with the overlimp. This deep against this many limpers I just don't see us having too much FE preflop (the biggest reason to raise, imo). Let's just see a flop in position with a speculative hand and go from there, imo.

I also call the flop. Facing a flop raise we should have little FE. At this point we have to be a little concerned that V1 is drawing to a bigger hand than we are, but hopefully our position will enable us to figure that out.

I like our big bet on the turn.

I just don't think passive players bluff enough here to warrant a bluffcatching call against the busted flush draw (especially against our very strong line). So now the only question is whether they could possibly be value betting worse. I mean, he's not loose enough to donk/call/call with just 7x, right? The only other hand I could perhaps see here is AA (which failed to limp/reraise preflop), but even that hand typically just checks the river and hope it checks down. I typically try to play very tight against big river bets (and this is a big river bet) cuz mostly they're simply nuttish. ETA: Missed the fact V1 was SB, so highly unlikely this is AA/etc. About the only hand we're beating here is A7flushdraw, so I still lean towards a fold.

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I think jamming turn is a little too scared/weak poker. I do like a bigger turn bet of $160 or so.

A passive/fishy V1 could easily have a limped QQ/JJ/77 FH here, or Q7/J7, especially considering he called down w/ a flush on an unpaired board earlier, & now he's just out of flow jamming into you after you've shown alot of strength. I would likely puke fold tbh, but if you called & weren't good, I think that's fine too, so don't take it too hard