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1/3NL: Crazy V 3bets River. Hero has Aces up. 1/3NL: Crazy V 3bets River. Hero has Aces up.

08-08-2019 , 09:57 AM
$300 eff @ 1/3NL
Main V (BTN) has played every hand for 4 hours. Bets almost every flop and calls most raises, and a ton of flops. Not really a thinking player. For example, called 87o when there was a raise and reraise to $55 preflop etc.

Hero has a TAG image. Has shown down a few bluffs in a few hours, but mostly has it in big pots at the end.

OTTH:
2 limps, V calls SB, Hero BB A8cc checks.
($12) Flop AJ8r V leads $15, H calls, else folds.
($42) Turn 7r V checks, H checks
($42) River 8r V $25, H $75, V snap re-raises to $250, Hero ???????

Only thing interesting is that V is in for $800 and this hand would make him unstuck. He was pretty calm and talkative the entire time though.
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08-08-2019 , 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by TPTK77
2 limps, V calls SB, Hero BB A8cc checks.
($12) Flop AJ8r V leads $15, H calls, else folds.
($42) Turn 7r V checks, H checks
($42) River 8r V $25, H $75, V snap re-raises to $250, Hero ???????


You have a full house??? Go all in for $15 more dollars?

Last edited by Nolo31; 08-08-2019 at 10:13 AM. Reason: Added HH quote
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08-08-2019 , 10:20 AM
I play 1/2 and when I lose a cooler like this to the most unlikeliest JJ/AA I can imagine, I am wishing it's for $200 (100bb) and not much much more.

Other than facing an all-in on the river with the stone cold, this is the easiest snap call I can imagine. I would give more thought to calling with a K high flush on an unpaired board against a literal monkey randomly pressing buttons.
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08-08-2019 , 10:22 AM
I guess the question is whether you should call or go all-in for the extra $33 or whatever?

I’m inclined to say call. It’s nitty, but I think the 4th bet on the river kinda needs to be the nuts.

But I mean, we’re talking about $30 in a $550 pot so....?
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08-08-2019 , 10:28 AM
Obvious shove is obvious
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08-08-2019 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Nolo31
You have a full house??? Go all in for $15 more dollars?
Wow. What a mistype. The flop was AJ5, so I have 2 pair not Aces Full on the River. I river 2 pair.
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08-08-2019 , 10:50 AM
Villain bets almost all flops and call alot of raises OTF (if I understood well), so I’m raising OTF.

AP just shove it.

Edit.: just saw the correction, sorry.
Calling down is fine... Have doubt OTF, gotta re-think the hand.
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08-08-2019 , 10:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TPTK77
$300 eff @ 1/3NL
Main V (BTN) has played every hand for 4 hours. Bets almost every flop and calls most raises, and a ton of flops. Not really a thinking player. For example, called 87o when there was a raise and reraise to $55 preflop etc.

Hero has a TAG image. Has shown down a few bluffs in a few hours, but mostly has it in big pots at the end.

OTTH:
2 limps, V calls SB, Hero BB A8cc checks.
($12) Flop AJ5r V leads $15, H calls, else folds.
($42) Turn 7r V checks, H checks
($42) River 8r V $25, H $75, V snap re-raises to $250, Hero ???????

Only thing interesting is that V is in for $800 and this hand would make him unstuck. He was pretty calm and talkative the entire time though.
Sorry all. Board was AJ578. I had Aces and 8s on the River, not a boat.
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08-08-2019 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by donkatruck
I play 1/2 and when I lose a cooler like this to the most unlikeliest JJ/AA I can imagine, I am wishing it's for $200 (100bb) and not much much more.

Other than facing an all-in on the river with the stone cold, this is the easiest snap call I can imagine. I would give more thought to calling with a K high flush on an unpaired board against a literal monkey randomly pressing buttons.
Now I know why the comments were going nuts. The flop was AJ5, so I have 2 pair not Aces Full on the River. I river 2 pair.
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08-08-2019 , 10:53 AM
Guess I’m folding river. If it was a Bluff, good bluff and next hand.
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08-08-2019 , 11:31 AM
Much more sense!

So. My first thought: I think he does this with any 2-pair+ combo as well as a bunch of bluffs. You’re comfortably ahead of this range. However...

The check on the turn leads me to think the River really did help him, as I doubt he’s tricky enough to check a set or AJ on the turn.

Let’s assume his range is the deck (the flop bet being a random “I’m gonna overbet to take the dead money” spew). Which hands got better on the River?

A8, J8, 78, 58, 88, 46, 69, 9T.

Well now we’re not looking so hot. Chop with the four Ace-Eights, beat the 27 seven-eights and 58s and J8s, lose to the 1 88, lose to the forty-eight straight combos.

So you beat 27 value hands but lose to 49...not good.

Calling $175 to win $370....odds aren’t there unless he’s bluffing a TON. And this is a really really weird spot to spew-bluff.

I find a fold.
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08-08-2019 , 01:09 PM
Has V shown down after overbetting before? This type of V could want to jam any two pair hand so J8, 58, 78, A8 are all in range. Does he ever raise pre? If he has a pre flop raising range it pretty much eliminates AA, JJ, AJ. I can't believe this guy would check a set OTT. I think his value range against our hand is extremely small here. 69 and 64 are in play as he is limping pretty much 100% and betting a lot of flops. If V is spazzing with smaller 2 pair here I bluff catch but if he understands our raise here means 2 pair+ and doesn't spaz then a fold is fine. After 4 hours I think we should be able to make this read.
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08-08-2019 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by c0rnBr34d
Has V shown down after overbetting before? This type of V could want to jam any two pair hand so J8, 58, 78, A8 are all in range. Does he ever raise pre? If he has a pre flop raising range it pretty much eliminates AA, JJ, AJ. I can't believe this guy would check a set OTT. I think his value range against our hand is extremely small here. 69 and 64 are in play as he is limping pretty much 100% and betting a lot of flops. If V is spazzing with smaller 2 pair here I bluff catch but if he understands our raise here means 2 pair+ and doesn't spaz then a fold is fine. After 4 hours I think we should be able to make this read.
V has not overbet yet. He's called overbets with the middle of his range and bets most flops with his entire range.

Reasons for folding: V has not bet/3bet the river in 4 hrs of play. V also perceives me as Tight so when I raise to $75, it's obvious I'm only doing this with 2pair+. I won't have too many natural bluffs on an Ace high Rainbow board and I expect V to just call if he has worse.

Reasons for calling: The raise doesn't make too much sense as I think he would call with most of his 2 pair and worse hands. I also think he bets all 2 pairs and sets on the turn to build a pot. That puts him on specifically a straight or air here.
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