I am playing at a local casino with players who are loose passive.

Hero: A8o

Preflop:
Sb: post 1$
Bb- post 3$
Utg1- straddle 4$
Utg2- call 4$
Mp-calls 4$
Mp2-calls 4$
Lp1-calls 4$
Button (hero)- raises to 18$ total
3 players call.

Flop: Kh6h9h

Mp1- bets 50
Lp1- calls 15$ more
Hero- shoves 150???

Good shove?

I figured that me shoving was going to allow all flush draws to fold and even kq, kj type hands.

Ill post results after discussio

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Your hand history is confusing. What are effective stacks? How does someone straddle to 4 in 1/3? On the flop you say Lp1 calls 15 more, does that mean this player started the hand with 33?

Either way, I'm folding A8os here preflop, and your flop shove is pure spew.

Ditto on the confusing $4 straddle, but it doesn't really matter, I'll just assume the game is 1-2 and it was actually a $4 straddle.

Preflop is either a fold (which, unless you love playing for stacks with A8o, is the correct choice), or a much bigger raise. At least $25, $30-35 is better, you at least have some hope of getting heads up. At $18, you are ALWAYS going to get a bunch of callers. Sure enough, you did.

Between preflop (you + 3 callers) and the flop (you, mp1, and lp1) you lost a player...was it 3 or 4 ways? Doesn't really matter, because when mp1 leads for $50 the worst he ever has is the A. More likely a set or two pair that is scared to see another heart. And he's never ever folding to your shove. He's getting 2.5:1 on a call (that's close, your description is confusing). Even if he should fold the naked A, he's never going to at that price, and that's a small part of his range anyway. Most of it has you drawing stone dead, and will call.

Edit: I had a brainfart and forgot there was another player already all in. Even less likely you're ever good here.

Brutal honesty, this is really butchered. If the results here are that he called off with a flush draw and missed, tip the dealer and don't try it again.

Sir, are you trying to bluff a player who is all-in?

Raise way bigger pre if you are going to bluff there

Flop all 3 of raise, call, and fold seem ok. If you have 150 total I guess shove and hope to fold kx no heart because calling means you will often face a 100 shove on the turn that you may not be priced in to call

I'm confused

I understand why people don't like getting the advice, "fold preflop," but seriously you made so many mistakes postflop that you shouldn't be playing anything but premiums until you get your game under control. As noted above, you shoved over an all-in and a donk bet with air. Passive players don't bet into a pfr without a good hand. A decent player knows you never have a flush or even a FD in this situation. Rarely are those hands you mentioned are folding.

Stop trying to be the table captain and just value bet the crap out of people when you hit.

This is not fun,
You cannot possibly ever make money unless reset your thinking. Are you trying to bluff a dude who is all-in already? ...lol...lol...lol.-------- How s....d is that?

I'm not kidding. Actually I hate myself to even reply to posts like yours because I'm afraid some dudes will start playing better after reading your post and the other comments from the 2+2 dudes. Your play makes money for many of us.

I honestly believe that some posts that clearly shows lack of basic knowledge with -EV should be encouraged. Exactly how we do at the table. We never tap the tank.

Need to know which casino, where it is, and when OP regularly plays to get a full feel on if this play was good or not .

With $200 I'm folding pre, the pot will be way too big to maneuver postflop after a straddle, four limps and a raise.

With $350+ effective and good reads I'd probably pop it to $35 (or whatever size I think will get me 1-2 callers) with the intention of playing smallball postflop.

Everything about this hand is lol.

[ ] Real life

[X] Drawing dead

But OP has Ah

Missed that. Just saw A8 offsuit...

His original post says the opposite. It says he's hoping to get flush draws to fold.

I figured that me shoving was going to allow all flush draws to fold

I don't know which casino our dude is playing but I can tell you that we have lots of players in Vegas every day that lose lots of hard cash with the same poker thinking. I see dudes calling 3bet with AXo where X is 9 or less and continue all the way to the river on a Ace high flop. ha..ha..ha..lol

...uh...yeah

We're shortish and on the Button with a crap hand at a loose table where we are unlikely to narrow the field with a smallish raise and should just be playing value hands for value. Preflop is a super easy fold and anything else is horrendous, imo.

I'm assuming we don't have the A flush draw and I'm assuming the pot is protected by an all-in player. Which makes the flop a super spew.

Gfold/fold,pokeriseasyG

Everyone is right. Honestly I play 2-5nl usually and am not used to playing with all passive loose players.

I get bored play abc in 1-2. Can't bluff I feel. Everyone calls when 3bet

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