Was in town for edc weekend and decided to check out the Bellagio late night game. This is Sunday night around 12am or so, I took a break from all the partying to try and recoup some of the vacation money.

Villain (covers, around 700): 50s Canadian MAWW. Seems pretty loose passive, doesn't raise often pre, doesn't bet often post unless she has at least top pair, continued aggression post indicates a strong hand, can usually determine strength of it by her bet sizing, bigger = stronger, etc. However, she has been known to play random hands for no particular reason at all, for example, one hand she played 23o and barreled a 24T8 board vs a player who was obviously on tilt and not folding, and announced here's a donation! She has hit a couple of big hands to get her stack, including a set vs top pair against the villain that she made the donation to. She will call down post with almost any piece then fold river if she doesn't have at least top pair.

Hero (210): 30s Asian guy, was making some hands earlier, but now running pretty badly and playing poorly. Trying to iso-raise with stuff like Broadways and AQ or AK and missing flops. Stabs have been getting called. Overall, bad table image and honestly should probably have just gone home. But villain is so bad that everyone at table is gunning for her, so hero felt obligated as well.

Preflop:
3 limps.
Villain limps in small blind.
Hero checks A 9 in big blind.

Flop 5 way (15): A K 7
Villain leads 15.
Hero calls 15.
All fold.
Villain could be betting any ace here, and my kicker is probably good vs most of her range, although it's close. I would fold to a turn barrel by her if she bet big.

Turn HU (45): 9
Villain leads 25.
Hero raises to 75.
Villain shoves.
Hero?
Turn is a great card! I just moved ahead of all her Ax combos, as she rarely has AK here, though it's possible. She could have 77 as well, but again, sets are hard to flop. So, I felt turn raise was mandatory. However, when she shoved, I was a bit lost, but it's about 130 into 310 or so, so I'm getting about 2.4 to 1. If she had 6 combos of AK and 3 combos of 77, would she play her 3 combos of A7 like this as well? What do you guys think?

Thoughts on all streets appreciated!

snap call, board is so wet and she has so many inferior 2 pairs in her range. that coupled with her potential unorthodox plays.

If she has it she has it, reload for more to stack her when she keeps overvalue-ing top pairs. Specially after already committing most of your stack

Seems fine, need to call it off at this point since half your stack is in the middle already and V could have worse. You need less than 30% equity which you probably have. Seems like she's kind of a goofball based on the 32o hand. She can obviously barrel some dumb stuff. Say nh when you're coolered and move on.

If you go extreme here and say she only shoves here for value and never a bluff/semi-bluff, then we can probably assign her a range of AK/AQ/A9/A7/K7/77. I'm excluding K9, 99 and 97 because your description sounds like she wouldn't be betting those on the flop. Just against that range and with no bluffs/semi-bluffs, you're at 22%. It's pretty close but I think most of us would go with it.

OK ... So we break this down ..
1) Doesn't raise PF often ... So she could have AK here OOP
2) Doesn't bet often w/out top pair ... So we assume she has an Ace here

3) Continued betting means strong hand, big=big (scared money betting) ... But her bet went weak on us at only 50% pot .. Why? The 9 didn't 'nut' any holding in any way and she should still be afraid of the flush draw with AK. Unless she figures it's OK to slow down now that it's HU, perhaps H doesn't stay on flush draws?

4) Now that you've raised Turn you are committed to the pot and let the hand play out (RIT there?). You're either ahead, behind or getting ready to get counterfeited on the River via a K or other kicker hitting.

Some nights just stink. She may have felt you were weak and bet smaller with AK/77 on the Turn hoping to let you catch something or raise/shove, which you did. We can only go off your description of the V, which would mean 'only' AxXx by the small bet size on the Flop .. She's not doing this with a flush draw without KQh.

To answer your question .. There's really now way to fold out Aces UP here with your remaining stack so small. GL

Thanks for all the replies so far!

Do you guys think the turn raise was fine or should I have just called? Cause a lot of the responses have been if I raised turn, I'm committed, so I guess, should I be committing myself here?

Hindsight poker is so much easier lol!

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You started the hand with 70 bigs and hit 2p aces-up. She has worse hands that can be betting for value here and a few bluffs. You also said she has shown she can take strange lines with bad hands so this isn't 100% guaranteed that she has a monster here.

Nothing wrong with committing yourself, really. Is it marginal? Maybe. That doesn't make it wrong, though. Stacking yourself for 70 bigs with aces-up isn't something to lose sleep over unless you really missed something obvious. Were you in a WA/WB situation based on your description of her? It's possible. If that's the argument, then maybe a flat on the turn is better, but in a vacuum I think most players are raising here against your average V.

Yes, you should raise here, especially with her pattern of 'calling down with a piece'. Now I don't know if that includes calling down raises or what it means when she 3-bets.

Your hand, with your stack, needs to get chips in the pot. You could get counterfeited and a heart will kill your value on the River as well. Good raise .. probably bad result.

Poker ... bet/raise/shove when you (think you) have the best hand for value. GL

I'm fine with preflop. With this stack size we should never be getting out-of-line and just play fundamental ABC poker, imo.

I might just nit fold flop and move on. She's betting a PSB into 4 opponents from the SB, where she could have any two pair and also have a big A that passively didn't raise preflop OOP. We also still have 3 people to react behind us; the call/folds add up quickly in this game, especially when we're not even super confident with our initial call. We sometimes fold the best hand here, but it's an extremely small mistake to do so, especially in what will be a small rake ravaged pot.

As played, I think I just flat the turn. I want to keep in her barrelling hands that we're ahead of (air, bottom pair, draws that will bust far more often than they hit) and it's still possible we're behind. We're still not committed as we'll still have >> PSB on the river. Having said that, we have moved ahead of A7/K7/97, and she might sigh call with a draw anyways, so I don't hate raising.

This lady is never bluffing nor overplaying a hand like AQ nor semi-bluffing a draw due to zero FE expected, right? So the only question is whether we are ahead of enough hands that she thinks are best and would also shove with; would she really shove with A7/K7/97 facing a big street raise - she seems more like the type to sigh call knowing she's likely beat, no? Honestly, we're mostly toast here, but it's tricky cuz you could argue our turn raise committed the rest of our stack.

ETA: Overall, in limped pots with two pairs, I typically play them fairly passively and more lean towards the calldown camp because I think raising them often can get people to fold hands we beat and continue with hands that beat us. Two pair is still a fairly small hand in the overall scheme of things, and I mostly treat them that way, in general.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Cannot fold with your stack. Hand is played optimally assuming you called.

Agree with those who agree with how you played the hand, as long as you called.

I'm mostly worried about 77. I think even passive villains like her raise AK although it's possible she still has it. You beat A7 and also it's possible for her to have KX. Like others said, with your stack size folding is lol. Pay her. Pay that lady her mah nee.

Yeah, you can't fold after playing 70BB deep and putting in 43% of your stack.

If you want to be able to fold 2-pair, top up to whatever the game allows and play deeper.

Also, pot-sized bet in a limped pot on the flop means nothing. At those amounts people think in absolute money terms, not in pot size.

I actually agree with GG in regards to folding the flop. SB leading out for pot generally indicates strength. We have a one pair hand with no backdoor draws and few ways to improve our hand. Really, there are just 2 cards in the entire deck we want to see on the turn and that's the 9 or the 9. We also have 3 players behind us left to act and we don't have a hand that can hold up very well vs a raise.

I'm not saying I'd always fold this flop (take note of the other players left to act..do they seem interested), and I obviously wouldn't expect you to fold considering you were tilted. I'm also not saying it's necessarily the correct play vs this villain. You said she barrelled bottom pair in a previous hand (still limited info). If you can assign a range that includes 7x and Kx that she plays like this then clearly A9 plays very well here but that would certainly not be typical of most villains in this spot on the flop.

Hand is played fine. Once you turn top-and-middle when you started with 70bb, I'm more than happy to get stacks in on a wet A high board. If you ran into a better hand then so be it, some nights just go that way.

Thx for all the replies guys!

I wholeheartedly agree with the posters saying I should've folded flop. If I was playing my A game, I think I would've done so, but damn, tilt sure makes you think funny!!

Anyways, turned out after I called turn, I was.. drawing dead!! Villain flips over the one combo of AA somehow and crushes this wannabe crusher's spirits and sent me off to donate more money into the pits!

At least edc was fun! Don't mind looking at half naked girls, even with the wife there lol!

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If you fold here you should give up poker. K7, A7, weaker aces and kings are all in her range. Snap her off and laugh in her face.

Weaker Aces and Kings are in her range?

Heck, even A7/K7 usually begin seeing all the better hands that can beat them when facing a big street raise; nothing in the read says shes going nutso against aggression.

Gyourrangingiswack,imoG

I'm an "older" woman, and I don't think I've ever limped in with this hand in my life!

I've actually made the argument in a thread last year that if everyone at the table is deep and skilled, and we have perhaps a face-upish range when raising out-of-the-blinds, that limping AA in the blinds isn't nearly as horrendous as everyone will no doubt make it out to be.

GbutIdon'twanttoderailthethread,soIwon'taddressith ereG

I would argue that you shouldn't have a face-upish range when raising out of the blinds (or from any position)

If there's a lotta shortish stacks at your table, I would argue that anything other than a nit tight opening range is spew.

G/derailG

WP sir

Nice hand.

Hell no do not fold on the flop what the hell??? Why the hell would u fold after hitting top pair?

One golden rule of winning poker- NEVER EVER get stacked in a limped pot

With that being said you need to be thinking about the reasons for all of your actions. What I mean by that is, since you decided to raise on turn after hitting your two pair you should know exactly what you plan on doing if she decides to shove on you and also have a plan for the river if she just calls depending on the card.

She limped so she probably doesn't have AK, 77 or 99. A7 or K7 seem likely. But then again you said she plays random hands for no reason so you never know lol.

As played I call it off and expect to be good.

Good luck bro