Hand 1: KK (one spade) in ep preflop, I make it 15, 2 callers... flop 9TJ, 2 spades, I check, bet of 25, call of 25, I fold thinking their range hits a lot of that and I will just bleed away chips calling-calling-calling there.. good or bad? I know it's irrelevant, but turn was an As, flop-bettor checked and flop-caller bet.. so I felt even better..


Hand 2: AA (one heart) in ep preflop, I make it 16, 4 callers including tight BB... flop 3 hearts (T73), goes check-check-check, turn bricked, BB leads 10 into 60ish, I make it 30, he calls.. river 3 pairing board, he checks, I bet 50 he calls with KQhh and I am like WTF, he bet 10 into 60 with KQhh?

Wtf are you doing on hand 2? Bet the flop FFS

Being cautious and deceptive, both. These players LOVE to play anything suited. ALL THE TIME.

Hand 1 should keep the initiative. We have over pair, gutshot, back door flush and flop hits our perceived range as well. Check/folding seems really weak tight.

Hand 2 was misplayed on every street. Like wj94 said, bet flop FFS. As played check river back, what do you think he's bet/calling with on the turn that you can get value from otr?

OP - if you want good responses please don't post results.

I don't mind checking the flop but I would check call as there aren't all that many bad turns, we may be winning but by betting we can get blown off our hand by hands like qj,aq,qx,89,j8 and by some hands which we are behind to like bottom two but which we have ok equity.

Unfortunately the turn is a bad card and it's hard for us to continue here.

Second hand bet flop. We usually have the best hand here and even if we don't we cant be drawing dead. We can get value from top pair/k of heart/non believers.

Your reasoning makes no sense. You say there are loads of people tht play any suited junk but then u raise on the turn which shows u should just bet the flop.

I would value bet the river too.

You need to learn to bet/f more as opposed to ch/call evaluate. This really is a major leak in the hands posted.

Hand 1: easy bet/f or bet/evlauate (based on reads) ch/calling ch/folding is really weak

Hand 2: bet flop, bet turn, bet/f or check back river. Hand is a cooler

You're still over 50% to win vs. 4 suited opponents (I think so, it's close if not). And if someone did flop a flush, you have equity to catch him.

Lead out on both flops.

Continue with aggression on both hands on flop...ur playing passively. Straight forward plays work best at LLNL...