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06-09-2013 , 03:41 PM
Villain is celebrating his birthday and ran decent. He commented that this was his lucky day, sitting on $608.

CO is ABC - not much to worry about, $418.

Hero appears to be a winning player and has been playing and running decent. Covers both.

Villain opens to 8 in UTG+1, CO calls, hero on button with AJ flats.

(3 way) $26
Flop: 6QQ

Villain cbets 25, CO folds, hero raises to 100, villain re-raise to 250, hero?

Feel free to comment on any street including the raise on flop.
06-09-2013 , 03:58 PM
Fold flop. Why such a big raise? Would you raise Qx to this size? V raises UTG+1 and then pots a paired flop. He could have air but raising to 65-75 accomplishes the same thing if he's not going to continue
06-09-2013 , 04:02 PM
Hmmm, difficult to comment too much without more specific reads on opponent. Would he b/3bet with AA/KK here? What are his cbet tendencies? Does he understand the concept of way ahead/way behind? Does V understand position (if he does, his opening range should be much tighter)?

What was your thought process/what were you trying to accomplish by raising?

As played, I would fold flop and defintiely fold to the 3bet. You can always find a better spot.

If V was an aggressive V who opened from LP, I would say a call is ok as A high will be good a decent amount of the time, and if V happens to have a hand like 77, you can can rep a higher pair/utilize scare cards to get him off the hand more easily on the turn.

Raising as a bluff on this flop is not as good, because you can accomplish the same thing with more information by calling the flop and betting the turn if checked to....
06-09-2013 , 04:21 PM
Would you 3b AQ pre? Does villain think you would? Provide some details on his post flop aggression and how you think he views yours.

In spots like these, if I'm a nonbeliever, I just flat cause we're heads up now.
06-09-2013 , 04:31 PM
at this level, he just let you know that he's not folding his hand.
you would need 100s of hours played w/ villian to have a read good enough to even think of getting fancy/ floating... repping anything. you missed your chance by not 3 betting pre anyways.
you might think that he has to give you credit for a Q, but in all likelyhood he might just think 'he wouldn't raise me with a Q, he's got zilch', which he's capable of thinking when you do have it, and then you get paid, because, like i said... he's not folding when he's shown this much interest in the pot.
i would move onto the next hand and look for spots to value own them when i have the goods.
btw, i might be a the Wynn later on today... have a Rice University (owls) baseball cap
06-09-2013 , 04:34 PM
Putting any more money is spewtastic. Fold now.

There's an argument for 3-betting pre, meh. On the flop I can justify flatting his weirdly large lead to see what develops since we're so deep and IP. There's a reasonably high chance that he checks the turn after you call him.

Your raise to $100 is too large. It doesn't tell you anything that a raise to $55-65 wouldn't. If anything, a smaller raise looks *more* like a Q and may be more likely to win you the pot right here.

While some guys will try to bluff you here with air, a random that you don't have a read on isn't going to do it often enough for you to put any more money into the pot. I expect his range after the $250 to be exclusively Qx and 66.
06-09-2013 , 05:48 PM
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Villain is celebrating his birthday and ran decent. He commented that this was his lucky day, sitting on $608.
This tells us almost nothing about how he plays. If you notice that he has ran decently, then you should have noticed more that would be worth mentioning.

Personally, I'd be reluctant to raise the flop if I don't know more about my opponent.
06-09-2013 , 05:54 PM
Ok, villain has been playing very loose and somewhat aggressive - more aggressive than a typical 1/3 player.
06-09-2013 , 07:32 PM
Well after the bet/3bet line I'd highly doubt villain is folding whatever he has. Fold.

If I were going to try and move this guy off his hand I would do it on the turn and river not the flop.
06-09-2013 , 07:39 PM
I'm pretty confused at what you're trying to accomplish with a raise here. Do you really think raising to 100 would rep a Q? Or even if your opponent is a fish and wouldn't recognize this, do you think he'd fold any pair? Seems like the only hands that you are getting to fold are hands that you beat.

I like a flat on the flop and reevaluate on the turn.
06-09-2013 , 08:46 PM
It's not going to be a single barrel.

Also if you guys watch the interactions between LAG/maniac and average llsnl players, most players do respond to LAG's aggression by overprotecting their nutted hands, such as raising big with set.
06-10-2013 , 12:43 AM
I agree the PSR on a bone-dry board is too big, but meh. Now, hollywood a bit and fold. Say "Happy Birthday," and move on. He is never folding after b/3b.
06-10-2013 , 02:57 AM
disclaimer:
FYI: this thread is a confirmed level
06-10-2013 , 07:26 AM
Flat flop, raise turn looks stronger.

As played: do you expect him to 3bet a queen here?
Your raise looks bluffy so he can be playing back at you.
06-10-2013 , 10:08 AM
I float here and then bet turn... more convincing line.
06-10-2013 , 12:55 PM
Since when do you play at Wynn and run decent? Lol.

Even though stacks are deep, we're in position and raise is ******o small ($8 raise at a live 1/3 NL table? orly?), I would still probably fold preflop.

EP raiser just bet into 2 opponents OOP. People don't like to fold two pairs+ at this level. Flop is pure spew, imo. I fold to the flop bet.

From your comments in the chat thread, I gather this is a book example hand.

Ghopeyoukeptyourreceipt,imoG
06-10-2013 , 02:39 PM
Fold or 3bet pre. Never flat.

It was a book example taken from a new book by Doug Hull (?), who is an Ed Miller student.
06-10-2013 , 03:00 PM
I was really curious of community's opinion of this hand, and I have no other intention than to discuss the thought process.

Thank you for the feedbacks.
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