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08-18-2018 , 02:34 AM

KID777777

adept

Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 869

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V - loose pre, calling and raising with any two suited cards. Have seen him call postflop light

H - Active image, lost a couple of decent size pots recently without showdown.

2 limps, V(CO) raises $15, H(BTN) 3bet $45 w/AKdd, V calls

Flop Q32r (90) no diamonds
V checks, H bets 50, V calls

Turn 2 (190) (bd spades)
V checks, H bets 100??

Plan was to fold out pockets JJ-
Should I give up on this turn vs this loose villain? Or jam/fold??

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08-18-2018 , 02:42 AM

Minatorr

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Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 5,235

Flop seems fine vs a very loose opening range.

Turn is a kinda meh and i think a lot of players will you put you on AK and just station. Your value range is super narrow and the 2 changed nothing. You literally only have like AQ/AA/KK/QQ for value and maybe KQs? If you decide to merge your 3 range but even then you should probably be mixing in a check at some frequency with KQs either otf or ott, and if you bluff like A5s/A4s and some other random 3b bluffs pre as well as AK your opponent has a pretty easy call with JJ/1010.

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08-18-2018 , 04:37 AM

branch0095

adept

Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 926

I think I'd give up OTT. It's such a dry board to begin with, and board pairing turns are generally bad cards to continue bluffing. If you are going to barrel the turn, I think it needs to be a shove with roughly just a PSB behind. Check>Shove>$100 for me.

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08-18-2018 , 07:54 PM

weltis

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Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 61

Flop is fine for betting small with entire range.

Would not bluff this villain on this turn. Changes nothing and I don't think he's going to fold TT here unless we shove the river.

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08-19-2018 , 12:14 AM

bombonanza

adept

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,173

board didnt change much OTT, didnt look like it hit or improve our range so I'll x/f.

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08-20-2018 , 12:14 AM

DMV Poker

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Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 10

Since he is a somewhat loose player I would check that turn card. There is even a chance you are ahead vs an AQ type of hand.

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08-20-2018 , 02:18 AM

ChrisV

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Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 40,336

Replies so far are weird. Isn't this guy ("Have seen him call postflop light") just going to call all his pairs if we bet and fold everything we beat? If your plan is bet once, give up on turn, I don't see how it's not just valuetowning yourself to bet.

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08-20-2018 , 09:57 AM

KID777777

adept

Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 869

fair enough guys, probably the wrong villain to try to double barrel this board
V folded A4cc

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08-20-2018 , 12:53 PM

gobbledygeek

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Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 36,136

I'd probably bet smaller on the flop ($30 probably does the exact same job as $50 does) and then give up on the turn.

GcluelessNLnoobG

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08-20-2018 , 01:00 PM

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ChrisV

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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek

I'd probably bet smaller on the flop ($30 probably does the exact same job as $50 does) and then give up on the turn.

GcluelessNLnoobG

WHY? I don't get it. Why bet against this guy if that's the plan?

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08-20-2018 , 01:21 PM

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gobbledygeek

Poet Laureate of LLSNL

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 36,136

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Originally Posted by ChrisV

WHY? I don't get it. Why bet against this guy if that's the plan?

We could easily have the best hand on the flop and the bet is for value / protection, even if we do have the best hand with A high we're pretty cool with ending the hand now (since we won't be able to take heat later on UI), and meanwhile if he folds a small pair just a smidge of the time it's awesome (and if he calls with those small pairs then our small 1/3 PSB has easily given us odds to chase our 6 outer if it can get us to the river which it will sometimes do).

GcluelessNLnoobG

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08-20-2018 , 01:28 PM

#12

4_4

grinder

Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 604

What is all this talk about giving up? turn bet is for value, although flop and turn both too much.

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08-20-2018 , 03:01 PM

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jimicornerstone

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Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 414

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Originally Posted by 4_4

What is all this talk about giving up? turn bet is for value, although flop and turn both too much.

What hands are you getting value from again?

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08-20-2018 , 03:52 PM

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shorn7

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Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,495

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Originally Posted by KID777777

300eff

V - loose pre, calling and raising with any two suited cards. Have seen him call postflop light

H - Active image, lost a couple of decent size pots recently without showdown.

2 limps, V(CO) raises $15, H(BTN) 3bet $45 w/AKdd, V calls

Flop Q32r (90) no diamonds
V checks, H bets 50, V calls

Turn 2 (190) (bd spades)
V checks, H bets 100??

Plan was to fold out pockets JJ-
Should I give up on this turn vs this loose villain? Or jam/fold??

Form the first bolded, you have the answer to the second....yes.

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08-20-2018 , 03:53 PM

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shorn7

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Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,495

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Originally Posted by 4_4

What is all this talk about giving up? turn bet is for value, although flop and turn both too much.

Please explain

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08-20-2018 , 05:51 PM

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fishsoup

journeyman

Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 267

Not hard to get even a villain off of a hand on this board. We block AQ and KQ. Put pressure on those sh**ty PP's

I'd still consider double barrelling against this villain. He won't fold if he has a Q but might fold all hands worse than 88's etc.

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08-20-2018 , 06:20 PM

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4_4

grinder

Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 604

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Originally Posted by jimicornerstone

What hands are you getting value from again?

All of them

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