AKo in MP+2, raised to $20 over 2 limpers, 5 callers to the flop

Flop ($100): 7 7 3 r
Checks around to Hero who bets $65, folds around to MP+1 ($1100, aggroreg who limp/called Hero's raise pre) shoves


I know this is an easy fold but general questions:

1) Do we give up this hand on the flop 5-handed? What about 2 or 3 handed?

2) Can we cbet/fold $45 here since it has the same effect? Or is this always a check/fold unless we hit.

3) What if Hero had a 88+ here?

bad bluff nobodies folding tt+ probably 88+, I think a standard 2/3 bet is better though, don't want to encourage any light calls. if there was 2 people I would definitely be firing a cbet. If you had pocket 8's there may be times when i cbet this or check. possibly even check raising against certain opponents.

Just the other day, I read a post that said firing $45 into $100 against 2 ppl, has the same effect as firing $65 into $100 on such a board.

Consider how you would play QQ here. I've raised to $25 PF with QQ and hit a board like 882 and fired $20 into $75 and got all villains to fold. I think if you're looking for a general population read for 1/3 players they're unlikely to float here too often and firing $45, heck even firing $35 here would have had the same effect.

sure some players will fold for $35 dollars, others may see it as weakness and raise. even if you have q's and are raised on a paired board your not too happy about it. the more people in the pot i think your cbet bet should be more of a standard size, do you really want to play 5 handed with a one pair hand.

knowing your stack would be helpful...

couple of thoughts...

.If a bad lag in the hand...and I've seen him check raise size a lot...I'm not betting here unless I'm willing to call (or shove). This is just the type of board bad lags love to make plays on. His relative position is actually bad for you in this case.

I do bluff 5 way sometimes (4 way more often) but almost always from the effective button....When I do it I'm always planning to bet a lot of cards on the turn...thats why you need position.

AK is not really very good to do it here...your best turn bluff cards A and K are blocked by your own hand...and actually complete your hand. A hand like QJ is much better add a backdoor flush and over 1/2 the deck becomes good for you.

This is also not the texture I'm looking for to double barrel...I need the calls to consist of more week hands.....something like T 7 4 rainbow....would be much better...

As far as size...if you expect to get called and plan on tacking him off on the turn...I generally like bigger bets...I win more and my turn bet looks stronger as it becomes larger. though some players do like smaller, get more calls they will fold to later type argument...

Overall this is not the spot to be cbetting 5 way..

I wouldn't bluff in a 6-way pot but that's just me. Nothing wrong with checking here.

Similar to other posts of yours, but if your raises ain't narrowing the field or setting up an SPR where you are cool with stacking off with TP (possibly in a multiway pot), then either (a) raise WAY more or (b) don't raise.

I would typically give up in a 4way pot, let alone a 5way pot. Even as played, this is a bad board to cbet since no pair is ever folding (especially since there is no big card on the board to rep). And even if we were to cbet here (which is burning money), there is also no reason to bet so big (a 1/3 PSB would set money on fire slightly slower).

If you have 88+, my guess is you've gotten yourself committed (perhaps unwisely) with anything other than a big stack.

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this, i would always check here