I don't get the flop hate. Ignore our holding. C-bet this flop texture heads-up 100%.

Yeah honestly in V's shoes my thought process goes "I haven't the slightest idea what the **** he's playing this way but 1/3 players don't bluff shove the river so I fold". At least with Qx. With a set my thinking probably goes "I haven't the slightest idea what the **** he's playing this way but I HAZ A SET SO I CALLZ"

If villain is actually TAG and solid this is bad. I assume based on OP's read that at the very least he doesn't totally suck (I don't trust when someone says a villain is solid) so this is still bad.

This works against fish who play so many hands pre-flop that they just can't adequately defend against c-bets, but not against TAGs who have decent pre-flop ranges.

Perhaps. When I read TAG I think of the regs in my player pool who are generally tight to nitty pre and fit or fold post. I suppose that's not exactly TAG and perhaps OP's villain is much better.

In my game against a right reg - cbet this flop 100%

My biggest problems with cbetting this flop is we're OOP, a call doesn't really narrow Vs range at all, and we pick up no equity on 45 of the reaming 47 cards in the deck. One of the ones we do pick up equity with completes the obv FDFD and we could very well need to hit again to win.

If we're IP, I would think the cbet is less questioned

Granted, this is 1/3, pure aggression can win hands here, so it's not like cbetting is a terrible mistake. I'm probably 55:45 in favor of checking:cbetting.

Personally, I think the flop is the most interesting part in the hand that we should focus on because it's a situation that comes up a lot and we can be burning a ton of money by not understanding it better. If players studied this spot more instead of focusing on what to do when they turn quads, they'd become much better players

haha I'm with you. I definitely default to folding when I get confused, because it's the right thing to do 90% of the time.

Interesting thoughts in this thread.

Regarding the flop play, the table in general had been tight/nitty (this was at around 4pm at the Encore Las Vegas) and just the hand before I had raised with 99 and check/folded a QJx flop vs a nit. There are certainly arguments for betting and for checking. I usually cbet here especially with my tight image, but sometimes will check. As it was, given table dynamics, I think it's a cbet.

Turn is a check, betting was bad, and obvious fold once I am raised. Way too much fancy play syndrome going on there and not enough thinking of my own range/story.

As played on the river, villain says I must have AsQs and tank folds a set of twos face up. Berating of the fish ensued when I flipped the 88.

This is the problem I have with some of these HHs. The reads that are given. This guy isnt a solid TAG. Hes a weak tight moron who cant read a hand to save his life.

I had played with this villain for about two hours, and my read on him at the time was that, as I said, "seems TAG and solid". By solid I meant a winning player, one of the better ones at the table, for whatever that is worth. I never said he was a crusher or I had a soul read on him, just that this was my take on him at the time [I]before this hand was played[I].

He hadn't faced major pressure yet. Maybe he was a donk who got good cards for a run, I don't know. But it would be pretty odd for me to have viewed him as a "weak tight moron who can't read a hand to save his life" or anything remotely like that before this hand unfolded.

In his position, I might have made a crying call on the river, but it's a pretty tough call to make after getting re-raised on the turn and facing a river stuff of over 100bb from a tight player.

cbetting flop is standard. If you dont C bet, you C/F the flop. Id rather c/c with TPMK or a low pair of the board rather than a PP (5 cards improve the hand rather than 2). 88 is basically dead once the flop comes, you dont raise pre, and then call a flop bet in the hopes that he checks down, thats bad poker.

There is absolutely no reason to 3 bet bluff at 1/3 nearly ever. If the guy is raising with TPMK, he is overplaying his hand. you abuse him with 2p+, and you dont semibluff or try to get him off it.

River is so dumb, but has a way better shot of working than the turn, just because there is no way he is folding 2p+ to your turn 3 bet.

I didnt mean to say you should have a rock solid read on him after 2 hours, but when you list a certain read for us, that's all we have to go on since we weren't there. The read you posted is pretty contrary to what he appears to really be, so you probably should've just said "no real reads..havent seen him doing anything dumb". Otherwise you skew the advice which defeats the purpose of posting the HH at all. I assume you wanted advice and comments on how you played the hand and possibly a better way based on the villain, right?

Not picking on you specifically. People do it all the time.

Honestly villain had a super easy call. Ive never in my life seen anyone play AsQs that way. You never have a flush there. Im never folding a set in that spot. Ever.

if you want to be an hero why just raise only $70 on top his bet on the flop and not more? why not take some money from the river and move it on the flop and take the pot down there instead stretching yourself into the river?

The read I posted was the honest general read on had on him at that point. Maybe solid overstated it, but he seemed like a reasonable TAG. He had been correctly betting out his value hands strong. Now, maybe that initial read was incorrect, but that was my take going into the hand and that's exactly why I reported it as such.

Anyways, appreciate your feedback. I probably wouldn't have played AsQs in exactly this way, and if I had a set the river spade would have slowed me down. However, the only hand Villain beats at that point is a total spaz bluff (which it was), but it could be tough to rationally put that in my range.

It's a bit humbling to review such a bad play but a good learning experience and feel fortunate to have escaped without the well deserved felting.

I think you're being too hard on Villain, imo. Certainly a couple of debatable spots (perhaps should raise the flop to build a pot, probably should reraise the turn if feeling committed, but in both of these spots you could also argue playing aggressively loses most competent opponents which I'm guessing OP is viewed as). And as I've already said, I would probably find a hero fold on the river too against someone I don't view as a spewmonkey.

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