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1/3 weird spot facing river jam 1/3 weird spot facing river jam

12-15-2016 , 09:59 PM
Hero has ~500 infront in a 300max game. 2 hours into the session Hero has a solid image, CO is a mid age man who has been pretty much a station and btn is another mid age male who acknowledged that I was some internet kid. (I am) neither of these two players have gotten out of hand but I feel like btn has been raising pre and cbetting too much.

CO (320$) limps, btn limps (~300), hero in the sb completes w 4d5s, bb checks (~100$). Table is generally soft and hero has been successful stealing on most checked around flops, hero also noticed that btn reached for red Chips to raise but still only limped.

Flop 2d5d4c checks to the btn who makes its 22, hero calls assuming the btn does have a strong hand such as 99+ and is now trying to bet out the flush draws. Hero is also calling to keep the weak CO player in the hand. Bb folds and CO does call.

Turn is a Ks. We check w the intent to check raise the btn if he were to continue, but the CO leads 55. Btn folds and and this point I'm somewhat confused. We block 44 and 55, I didn't see why this player decides to lead besides perhaps he has a flush draw and is tryin to steal the pot? We elect to call and reevaluate on the river.

River is Th. At this point I'm convinced we're ahead of the majority of what this villains range is and bet 75 trying to get a call from a K or more likely a KdXd hand. Villian Insta rips in his stack and its 168$ more to hero.

Hero should? Possible mistakes made during the hand?
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12-15-2016 , 10:11 PM
This hand seems like bad

Fold pre pretty much is best ok?

Then lead flop or CR the flop

Lead 3/4 pot or CR ship the turn

AP Seems tha you need to call river since your line is completely FOS. But this rec player seems pretty favorable of his hand, you really think he's running a bluff here after you sink the river?

I haven't done the combos but what range can you put CO on that gets to the turn and still beats you? KdTd, Kd4d, 22, 44, 55, A3, 63. Well it turns out that's a lot of combos. I wish we hadn't played it so passively.
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12-15-2016 , 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jb94

Flop 2d5d4c checks to the btn who makes its 22, hero calls assuming the btn does have a strong hand such as 99+ and is now trying to bet out the flush draws. Hero is also calling to keep the weak CO player in the hand. Bb folds and CO does call.
Regarding your flop play:

So now you think the button, who you say you believe is likely raising too often pre, has decided to limp here on the button with a hand like 99 or 1010?

Interesting read. I'd say a big overpair feels highly unlikely here.

If that was your read, a check-raise is the obvious flop play.

Either way, I like a check-raise here. Smooth calling is terrible. This is a draw heavy board and half the deck is bad or an action killer for you on the turn.
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12-15-2016 , 11:03 PM
Pre is fine. You have to bet the flop. The pot was limped. You need to start getting money in asap. I'd normally bet out $15. If you have an over active LP player, a c/r is fine. Make it at least $60 on the flop. You can't call and potentially let two other players get a good price to call on a draw heavy board.

Alarm bells should go off when a normally passive player starts betting. I'd strongly consider folding the turn. A3/63s/K5s are all within villain's range. Passive players typically don't bet out combo draws or pair+draws. You are ahead of some 52s and 42s.

You are definitely not ahead of the majority of villain's range on the river. If you do bet, it's a bet/fold. Snap fold as played. Passive villain's don't raise bluff or raise with TP. If you call and win, your read is way off.
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12-15-2016 , 11:23 PM
Your thought process on flop is realley bad.

As played fold river.

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12-16-2016 , 11:22 AM
Ended up calling the river, villain rolled over Ah3h. Btn claimed to have folded TT
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12-19-2016 , 12:55 PM
I'm also typically completing here. With only the BB still to act preflop it is highly likely we see a cheap flop, and this is my goal; it sucks that we'll be OOP, but we'll have a skyhigh SPR and should be able to do alright postflop.

I just donk the flop. The board is drawy and we can start getting value from lots of hands (draws, overpairs, etc.). I'm fairly nitty in these spots with hands this weak, so if anyone raises I would typically just fold unless I think I have the odds to chase a boat. I would donk out $10 and go from there.

I'm always a little concerned about overbets like this, as typically it is a very strong hand looking not to get sucked out on by draws. I'm not sure if ~88 is considered an extremely strong hand. I would probably call as well, but I do have one hand on the eject button.

I think I eject on the turn action. CO calling the big overbet and then donking into the Button on the turn 3ways is very strong from stations, imo. We don't beat much at this point, other than perhaps a K high flush draw that backed into one pair; but do passives donk this on the turn?

I wouldn't get to the river, and if I was donking it I would donk it much smaller (basically just to set my own cheap showdown price which I'm willing to pay), and the fold to the shove is trivial.

Main points from me would be this. 1) If we're limping into multiway pots with speculative hands (which I'm totally fine with) we have to really lean towards nutmining and releasing mediocre hands quickly; our hand is extremely mediocre on the turn given this action. 2) Passive calling stations who haven't gotten out of hand aren't attempting steals with draws in multway pots, they simply have the goods.

GimoG
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