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1/3, weird PF spot deep and multiway with QQ 1/3, weird PF spot deep and multiway with QQ

03-07-2017 , 07:26 PM
Hero (Lo-Jack, covers) is early 30s WG reg. My image is definitely LAG, but winning. Early on in this session I 3bet squeezed K4cc to $55 from the CO over a MP open to $13 and two callers. The BTN flat called my $55. I then doubled up when I c-bet a Q-high flop with two clubs and shoved the turn when I hit the flush. Table chuckled a bit when they saw my hand. I've been active since, but have had the goods when I've put in big bets (since I knew my image would be shot a bit).

V1 (UTG, $700) is MAWG, tight. Haven't seen him play enough hands to classify as TAG or TP. He stacked off for about 100 bbs or so over 3 streets holding AK and hitting TPTK, check-calling a large river bet and seeming surprised that he had the winner.

V2 (CO, $400 or so) is middle aged to older Mexican male. Pretty loose, and very sticky postflop. Gets a little unorthodox preflop sometimes (see history hand below). I don't have a great read on his preflop tendencies, but he's certainly not overly passive pre.

V3 (BTN, $143) MABG, pretty fishy. Way too loose and passive pre, calling station post, will shove when he only gets called by better and folds out everything worse.

History hand - occurred literally the hand prior to this one

Folded to Hero in HJ with AKo, Hero opens to $13. V2 on BTN raises to $113. Effective stacks of about $375. Hero has no idea how to range V2 here, but I don't think he does this with AQ. Hero knows he can't flat, and given V2's stickiness post, I don't think he's the type to fold JJ/QQ/AK pre if I shove. Maybe he folds TT but I'm not sure he 3bets that holding to this size. Hero shrugs, decides he doesn't want to flip for a 350+bb pot, and folds quietly.

OTTH

V3 straddles his button to $10. Blinds fold. V1 raises to $35. Folds to Hero, who decides to flat with red QQ. I welcome comments on the merits of 3betting here. V2 raises to $135. V3 attempts to go all in but screws it up and just calls, leaving himself $8 behind. V1 folds.

Hero?
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03-07-2017 , 07:40 PM
Probably shove, it sounds like he's not only 3 betting QQ+, I'd add AK and JJ in there, so you're already @ 47% equity. Add in a small % of random squeezes and other hands like AQ and TT and it's a must shove.
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03-07-2017 , 07:44 PM
given the previous hand, I'm pretty happy shovelling it in here. I'd chalk it up to a double cooler if he wakes up with AA/KK here against your QQ the hand after the AK hand.
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03-08-2017 , 11:42 AM
Quick bump. Is this spot just far less interesting than I thought?
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03-08-2017 , 12:00 PM
Shove or fold. I probably shove given previous hand and dynamic.
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03-08-2017 , 01:49 PM
I'm ok with the initial flat preflop but I'm passive like that, but especially deep (even with the $10 straddle) against a tight EP opener. Although with our image, I'm guessing (???) raising might be better?

My initial reaction was to insta shove and feel pretty fistpumpy about it.

After thinking about it some more, I'm not so sure.

I initially pretty much ignored V3's all-in, but he's passive, he's just seen a tight open, a call, and a re-raise, and now he's effectively shipped. I mean, it's "only* for $143, which a loose guy may get in fairly light, but to this action?

And is V2 really getting out-of-line possibly back-to-back, especially against tighty's EP open?

I probably still ship it in here but it's not nearly as fistpumpy as I first thought.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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03-08-2017 , 02:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
I probably still ship it in here but it's not nearly as fistpumpy as I first thought.

GcluelessNLnoobG
that's a big 10-4 good buddy
+1
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03-08-2017 , 04:54 PM
If we are not getting it in with AK why are we with QQ? Seems like a worse situation as you have noted. Is he the type of player that will shove 77 or 88 here expecting to take it down pre? How many times has he shoved pre? If these are the only two times he may have gotten AA or KK twice in a row.
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03-08-2017 , 05:02 PM
I shove. Hardly seems like a spot for a disciplined fold of QQ.
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03-09-2017 , 10:31 AM
Guess there wasn't much to talk about here.

Results:

Hero shoved. V2 calls fairly quickly, V3 obviously calls. We agree to run it twice, first board is Ace-high otherwise rags, second board is all rags.

Both V2 and V3 turn over AK. I take half of the main, they each get a quarter of the main. Side pot is chopped. I turn a decent little profit on the hand.
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03-09-2017 , 01:31 PM
nh

always challenging to figure out if they happened to be near the top of their range, or if their ranges were much tighter than it appeared.
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