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03-14-2019 , 01:54 PM
Villain: Weak 20 something. Seems like a bad reg. Tighter than average.
Hero: Probably viewed as one of the tightest players at the table.

$1/3 NL (8 handed)
UTG
UTG+1
LJ
HJ V ($160)
CO Hero ($400)
Button
SB
BB

Hero is dealt A6

V opens to $15. I would typically fold at these stack depths, but I think I can take advantage of my image with a light 3!. I think his HJ opening range isn't too strong, and he will be over folding in this spot. I 3! to $50 and he calls.

Flop ($104) 643
V checks. Hero?
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03-14-2019 , 02:23 PM
3 betting a villain light that is 50bbs deep with a non value hand is torching money. They are literally going to go with anything.

This is probably the most ideal flop for you unless villain has a pocket pair which is def going to ship it in your face. Betting 55, calling a jam because it's way too late to turn back now, praying for one of my 5 outs.

If the flop was kj8 and villain had j10, you think he's going to fold? Don't threebet shortstacks light. They are looking for opportunities to get it in and gamble for the double up, don't let them gamble with good equity.
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03-14-2019 , 03:03 PM
I just fold preflop. A weak tight guy is opening to ~10% of his shortstack. A 3bet sets up an all-or-nothing PSB shove. There's also 3 guys yet to react that can easily screw things up. Yeah, we'll steal the ~$19 in the pot sometimes, but I'm not convinced that's going to make up for the times we torch $160.

As played, we haz TPTK with a PSB left. We could be best. Me might have some FE against better. We have decent equity against sticky overpairs. For better or worse, we're committed at this point, so I shove.

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03-14-2019 , 04:13 PM
AP im betting this flop to deny equity, 65-AI is fine I think
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03-14-2019 , 06:14 PM
Why do you want to put yourself in a bad spot with such a weak hand and these stack sizes? There isn’t enough dead money to be worth it. V probably ships it pre with AK AQ so his range should mostly be pairs. Pairs aren’t folding this flop.
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03-14-2019 , 06:49 PM
Villain is tighter than average so he folds a bunch of hands to your 3bet (that's why you're 3betting light). I guess he ships TT+ AQ+ preflop, flats 99-22 some suited Broadway AJo KQo and folds the rest.

This means if you bet flop V will automatically play perfectly against your specific hand. He'll continue all his pairs of which only 55 and 22 are behind you but have equity. He'll fold all his unpaired hands because your perceived bluffs with AK/AQ beat them (you're tightest at the table remember).

You can't make a balance argument for betting because you aren't going to be doing this again. You just have to play this as one hand and make the most of it.

If I thought V capable of bluffing I'd check back flop and call him down. If I thought V incapable of bluffing I'd check back flop and check/fold to show down. I'd shove flop if I thought he would gamble with at least some of his unpaired hands. I cannot see him folding any hand that's ahead of us at this point.

The more pairs V shoves preflop the more I'd be inclined to bet flop for equity denial against his overcards.
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03-15-2019 , 02:40 AM
snap shove flop
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03-15-2019 , 02:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by goth money
Villain: Weak 20 something. Seems like a bad reg. Tighter than average.
Hero: Probably viewed as one of the tightest players at the table.

$1/3 NL (8 handed)
UTG
UTG+1
LJ
HJ V ($160)
CO Hero ($400)
Button
SB
BB

Hero is dealt A6

V opens to $15. I would typically fold at these stack depths, but I think I can take advantage of my image with a light 3!. I think his HJ opening range isn't too strong, and he will be over folding in this spot. I 3! to $50 and he calls.

Flop ($104) 643
V checks. Hero?
No.
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03-16-2019 , 01:37 AM
Bad 3 bet.
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03-16-2019 , 01:52 AM
All in as played but pre is enormous spew
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03-16-2019 , 03:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by StinkHolePatrol
3 betting a villain light that is 50bbs deep with a non value hand is torching money..
Quote:
Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
I just fold preflop.
Quote:
Originally Posted by wj94
Why do you want to put yourself in a bad spot with such a weak hand and these stack sizes?
Are the stack sizes the main reason that this is a bad 3bet? If so, how deep do you need to be to 3! here? What conditions should I be looking for to 3! with Axs hands?
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03-16-2019 , 05:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by goth money
Are the stack sizes the main reason that this is a bad 3bet? If so, how deep do you need to be to 3! here? What conditions should I be looking for to 3! with Axs hands?
Bad stack sizes.

I'd much rather have a SC vs a super tight dude, Axs is trash. Don't 3b lite vs tight players in general, and if you choose to do so, be at least 200-300bb+ deep so you can cooler their overpairs for a significant amount. And don't choose Axs.

Use Axs vs people who fold too much to 3-bets.
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