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12-29-2020 , 11:07 PM

sdfsgf

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1/3, $450 effective

HJ limps
I raise KhKd to $15 on BU
HJ calls

Flop ($34): 8h7h6h
HJ checks

Are you betting or checking here? Despite limping, HJ is a competent player and capable of bluffing when appropriate.

After you've made your decision, here's the next decision point (no results):

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12-30-2020 , 12:11 AM

sixsevenoff

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I would just bet the flop; I got in a bad habit of respecting these boards too much and I think it's unnecessary.

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12-30-2020 , 12:13 AM

josofo

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Mostly check or bet 15

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12-30-2020 , 12:24 AM

QuadJ

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With the draw to the king high flush flop is a bet. I'm not going to be real happy if the flush comes in because it won't be clear if we have the best flush or second best flush but you have position and can control the pot size a bit. $25/$30 looks good. This is such a draw happy board I would go small here.

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12-30-2020 , 12:47 AM

sixsevenoff

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Yeah one thing I forgot I echo QuadJ is use a small sizing on the flop - I go $10.

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12-30-2020 , 01:14 AM

jdr0317

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OOP i’d check. IP HU easy bet.

Have to raise now, even though you might be capped here

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12-30-2020 , 01:33 AM

sdfsgf

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I’ve been messing around with the Solver+ app recently (Bart Hanson recommended it) and FWIW it is split 50/50 between betting small (1/4 pot) and checking back this flop, so I think both are fine. (I set it up BU vs. BB which is probably similar to his HJ limp range). Not that I really rely on solvers, but it seems like a general takeaway for me is that it recommends checking the flop way more than I currently do (usually when I hit a flop that I’m not “supposed” to have hit, like this one) which was my impetus for checking here.

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12-30-2020 , 01:42 AM

QuadJ

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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff

Yeah one thing I forgot I echo QuadJ is use a small sizing on the flop - I go $10.

I meant I would not go small on this flop. Villain's range is largely polarized between hands that fold to any bet and hands that won't give up easily.

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12-30-2020 , 09:28 AM

samo

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I'd X back flop w/Kh. Should be Xing back some flops, and this seems to be a good spot.

Turn - curious as to V lead on a card that hits our range hard. I'd raise as there are a good number of scare cards (heart/T/9/5) that could halt action. If 3-B, gii w/top set, 2nd NFD.

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12-30-2020 , 01:54 PM

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hitchens97

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Originally Posted by samo

Firstly, it's a button raise by us, so we should have a fairly wide range, i.e. nothing hits us "hard".

Secondly, it's 1-3, there's a good chance that villain is not thinking about our range at all.

I'd range him villain as any 8, any K, 99-QQ, any two pair or better, AhXx.

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12-30-2020 , 02:18 PM

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sixsevenoff

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Originally Posted by QuadJ

I meant I would not go small on this flop. Villain's range is largely polarized between hands that fold to any bet and hands that won't give up easily.

I misread your post then...I know the EV difference can't be too big between flop sizes, but I think small sizes work best at LLSNL in most cases so I employ a small flop size strategy.

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12-30-2020 , 08:54 PM

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WereBeer

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Flop I'm indifferent about, I don't think betting or checking is a huge mistake.

Turn is a raise for value IMO.

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12-31-2020 , 09:29 AM

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samo

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Originally Posted by hitchens97

Firstly, it's a button raise by us, so we should have a fairly wide range, i.e. nothing hits us "hard".

Secondly, it's 1-3, there's a good chance that villain is not thinking about our range at all.

I'd range him villain as any 8, any K, 99-QQ, any two pair or better, AhXx.

Good point.

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