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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
If you've somehow managed to convince yourself that you're tripling up 75% of the time and losing only your preflop call the other 25% of the time, then preflop is obviously fine. But I think you are *way* off on your estimation.
ETA: I mean, if he's a scared money nit in the blinds, the hands he is likely wanting to raise preflop (let alone 3bet) is probably somewhere around JJ+/AK, so right off the bat he has 50% more big pair combinations than he does AK (so he'll be cbetting far more often than he'll be checking). And, yeah, some of the time he'll check an overcard flop with an underpair, but that doesn't mean we just take down the pot every time he checks (as often we'll be jamming into someone else's better hand, or someone else will bet an overcard flop forcing us to fold). And even still when we encounter those rare best case situations (such as the one we actually ran into, or when we flop a set against V1's AA) we still lose our stack a non-trivial amount of the time (we're never getting in our stack postflop with 100% equity). The idea that we are "tripling up 75% of the time" is an absurd overestimation in itself, let alone doesn't factor in any RIO.
GimoG
maybe I didn't type it clearly
the 75 % is when checked to and we jam flop as we will still lose a % of the time to V2 or V3 and I randomly picked 25%
I think V1 bets a flop 20-25% of the time but on some of those we might flop a set and proceed.
hence the complicated math equation.
sure we can toss away any skill advantage we have post flop and just shove pre;
But I as does OP believe we can lose less and win more by seeing a flop .
everyone is stating either reads are wrong or incomplete.
given this lack of ability to read an opponent then sure but if reads are correct then it seems to me we should make use of them.
otherwise why bother trying to improve reading skills at all.
playing ABC will net you 1-2BB hr win rate overall but aren't we striving for better than that