Interesting hand vs a LAG MAWG at the Wynn 1/3. $420'ish effective

JJ in EP and i am first in the pot, so i open to $12.

Old guy who has been calling too often and playing like a passive old guy, calls.

LAG has been very aggressive and has not been forced to show since i've been there (maybe an orbit or two) makes it $45 OTB.

I decide to flat as i think LAG has a wide squeeze range, and a wide 3! range just in general, but especially in this spot, and old guy folds.

Flop: Q62

I check and LAG bet $45.

I think with his overpairs and QQ, he's sizing up a bit more to protect a bit. This seems like a draw, bluff, and/or over-cards so i decide to raise to $150 and am expecting to take it down often, but probably evaluate if he shoves, leaning call by just a bit.

He instead insta calls.

Turn is the 2

I think if i check here i can keep my range a bit wider and am probably calling if he shoves as the quickness of his call on the flop all but eliminates AA/KK and QQ to me.

I was a bit lost here and make a mistake not shoving here i think. I need to charge his draws now on the turn and the way he called quickly on the flop really doesn't leave much i'm losing to i think.

He insta-checks behind.

River is a brick 9.

I decide that is about as good as it gets and if i check here, i can get him to shove his bluffs/misses along with the off-chance he has me beat, where as if i shove the river, he's never calling with worse than i have.

I check, he shoves instantly for $220'ish.

I think it over a bit. He’s leaning away from the table a bit. That generally means disconnecting from the hand. So I decide to probe, “sigh, if I fold will you show?”

He a peps up instantly and says yes.

It felt legit, and not like a reverse tell.

Any feedback on all actions appreciated as I was more lost in this hand than i generally am and i think a lot of it has to do with my flop raise. But maybe that's good and i should just be shoving the brick turn all the time?

Has this hand been posted before?

The story sounds familiar.

I posted it in my trip report in LVL.

I'm not a huge fan of the flop check/raise. If you're behind he's snapping you off. Other than the spades there aren't many draws he can call with. So you're basically value owning yourself when behind and winning the minimum when ahead. I would have just called. When he calls your check/raise you either need to shut down if you think you're behind or shove if you think you're ahead.

Against a LAG I'm probably calling this river bet. He could play AQ/KK/AA this way the whole time, but if he's getting out of line you'll have to look him up a bit lighter than you would another player.

Betting or raising in heads up pots merely to protect your hand is almost never right and this is no exception. Just flat the flop bet.

I'm folding the river because the flop checkraise both means that there are few bluffs in his range and that he will be disinclined to bluff you. The instant check-behind on the turn probably meant he wanted to show down, as he would have needed to consider bluffing if he had a draw.

Never raise to see where you're at.

With LAGs I'm putting him on Q10 or Q9 both of which have you in a lot of trouble. I don't put him on a 2 or on a draw. I'm folding here. Never checkraise flop when top pair beats you against a lag (i'm found), against a nit it's a helluva good idea LOL

I don't like the CR OTF either, but if you are going to do that, then you have to keep the pressure on and bet the turn. If you don't, then your line/story isn't consistent.

AP, I probably call the river as given how you DID play the turn, and given V checked behind, that in my mind would eliminate AA/KK/QQ from his range and leave him only AQ/KQ for river value hands that you don't beat. So, his range seems more skewed to missed draws to me.

But really, I am not in this spot because I take different actions on flop/turn so I could be totally off here.

Before opening any hand, I take careful notice of who is on the Button. This is the absolute last guy we want to be building a bloated pot OOP to. So I limp in and see what happens. As played (facing the 3bet), what's our plan? Just hope we flop non-horrendous and continue to call down OOP in what will be an SPR 3.5 pot?

I can't fault any of your postflop play, but this is the spot we get ourselves into a huge percentage of the time here opening ourselves (playing a hand that will likely remain extremely mediocre for stacks OOP against a difficult opponent). And now you simply have to ask yourself is that a good spot for you, and from the sounds of your question on the river, it ain't.

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What? We must have different ideas on what the term LAG means. JJ versus a weak range? Yes, please. Hang on and call down.

So our plan is to setup a situation where we'll be playing for 140bb stacks OOP to a difficult player with a hand that will likely end up as like second or third pair on most runouts?

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Absolutely! Against this player, second or even third pair is mostly (well more than 50%) going to be good.

My guess is that you were just clicking buttons and didn't discover he was a lag until after the hand. You've played with the guy 1 orbit and he has yet to show down a hand.

Flop x/r is just butchering this hand IMO.

Nah. He was pretty obviously loose and aggressive.

1) He had the LAG look. Nerdy MAWG LAG look to be specific.
2) Even if it was just 1 orbit, he wasn't folding and now is 3 betting from the button.

Those two things alone are enough to put an initial LAG tag on him, imo.

I agree. I'm a bit rusty as i haven't played much in a few years. This is def something i will be eliminating bc it just made me lost in the hand.

Results:

I noticed he was leaning back from the table and often times this indicates the player is trying to detach from the hand, generally weakness from what i've read and anecdotally.

I decided to do the classic probe question of, "If i fold will you show?" and he answers quickly and a bit happier than his table baseline, "Yes."

The answer seems legit and not like a reverse tell.

So i combine that info with the LAG read i had on him and decide to call.

He has 34 for the missed gutter/backdoor on the flop which turned the flush draw.