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01-22-2017 , 08:46 PM
Hero: late 20s white male. Probably viewed on the tighter side but aggressive with good hands and not a drooler. Been in a pot or two with V1 as he's been the most action at the table. Action has died down a bit so mostly folding or limping and folding flop. Stack $350

V1: 30s/40s European white male. Most active player at the table, mostly calling raises and playing hands but he has gone on tilt in a few hands. One particular hand he check shoved over a turn bet of 35 with his 110 stack into a 85 pot (counting 35 bet) heads up on a Q3J2 double flush draw board with Q6 (didn't have flush draw). I've been trying to get into pots with him as he has become a bit of a payoff station. Stack $150

V2: 30s white male. Just sat down 30 min or so ago but no reads. Comfortable at the table but also starting to drink. First hand he sat down lost half his stack by raising PF, betting flop, check calling turn with a flush draw and folding to a river bet. Stack $320

HH: folds around to hero in CO who opens to 13 with KQo, V1 calls in SB and BB calls. Flop Q93ss hero bets 25 after both check V1 calls. 6 turn V1 check calls a bet of 50. A river V1 checks hero checks and V1 says "I missed" and open mucks.

On to the hand:

V1 limps UTG+1, folds to V2 who opens to 13 (his standard) in CO, folds to hero in BB who calls with AQ, V1 calls.

Flop: A73 pot $35

Hero checks, V1 checks, V2 checks

Turn: A73J pot $35

Hero bets 25, V1 calls, V2 calls

River: A73J7 pot $110

Hero...?

Perfect card for us, wondering what amounts people are betting here to get Ax to call.
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01-22-2017 , 09:00 PM
Why did we check the flop?

Bet $55-$60
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01-22-2017 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ibelieveyouoweme$80k
Why did we check the flop?

Bet $55-$60
Not a fan of donking on a dry flop, I'm okay with letting it check thru or check/calling, and I didn't have initiative. Not that betting out would've been terrible.
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01-22-2017 , 09:17 PM
If you bet are you calling a raise? One of them could have a 7 and I think its less likely one of them has an Ace

Betting $55-$60 is fine, but depending on how aggro these guys are, I might check/call here and hope one of them bluffs at it or thinks they can value bet KJ.
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01-22-2017 , 09:29 PM
V2 really shouldn't have many 7s since he raised pre and called turn so I'd expect him to have a lot of Ax, some good jacks and some busted hearts in his range. He may think he's chopping if he has Ax.

I probably bet 100. Essentially put V1 all in and target worse aces from V2
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01-22-2017 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ibelieveyouoweme$80k
Why did we check the flop?

Bet $55-$60
You want to donk close to 2x pot on the flop

Oh, I guess you mean the river.
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01-22-2017 , 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
If you bet are you calling a raise? One of them could have a 7 and I think its less likely one of them has an Ace

Betting $55-$60 is fine, but depending on how aggro these guys are, I might check/call here and hope one of them bluffs at it or thinks they can value bet KJ.
V1 could have a 7 but he's only $100 left so we can't bet/fold against him. Hard to see how V2 could have a 7 that raised pre and flatted turn after a bet and a call.
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01-22-2017 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MIB211
V1 could have a 7 but he's only $100 left so we can't bet/fold against him. Hard to see how V2 could have a 7 that raised pre and flatted turn after a bet and a call.
Exactly my thoughts. I'm calling any raise from V1 and while it's hard to believe V2 has a 7 I'd definitely be put to a decision if he raised over my river bet.
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01-22-2017 , 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by NebDanger
Not a fan of donking on a dry flop, I'm okay with letting it check thru or check/calling, and I didn't have initiative. Not that betting out would've been terrible.
Ooops. Thought you were the raiser.

Shouldn't mix football, being tired and posting in strat threads.
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01-22-2017 , 11:42 PM
If I was V2, I could easily have Th7h, 9h7h, 8h7h, 7h6h. I know odds are against him having those hands but I also think odds are against them having an ace.

I'll still go with either bet $55-$60 or check/call. There's a decent chance one of them will bet a missed heart draw if you check.
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01-22-2017 , 11:45 PM
80
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01-23-2017 , 02:02 AM
Bet/fold small ~$35 to target Jx and fold against 7xhh. They mostly never have Ax after flop checked through.

I'm not a fan of check/calling as they may check back busted hearts pretty often in a 3-way pot as it's super obvious, and you don't want to be facing a big bet OTR.
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01-23-2017 , 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyBux
Bet/fold small ~$35 to target Jx and fold against 7xhh. They mostly never have Ax after flop checked through.

I'm not a fan of check/calling as they may check back busted hearts pretty often in a 3-way pot as it's super obvious, and you don't want to be facing a big bet OTR.
If you bet $35 on this river and Im last to act, Im bluff raising you. Most people wont so you will probably get away with it, but you have to be really careful with that small a bet with an under repped hand against a tough player.
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01-23-2017 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
If you bet $35 on this river and Im last to act, Im bluff raising you. Most people wont so you will probably get away with it, but you have to be really careful with that small a bet with an under repped hand against a tough player.
Yeah it's obv player dependent.. but most aren't exploiting you at this level so who cares..
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01-23-2017 , 01:32 PM
I'm probably taking far too nitty a route in this particular case (I won't argue those who say it is), but I think I just fold preflop due to being OOP; position is just going to help so much here in TP cases where we can dictate the pot size / better chance of getting paid off in position / etc., but we won't have that here.

I play flop/turn the same.

Looks like V1 has a PSB left? I bet a PSB and manage a fold if V2 raises.

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01-23-2017 , 09:35 PM
Thanks for the responses all.

Results:
Spoiler:
Hero bet $55, V1 called with A6 and V2 folded. I think I could've got his stack with a $100 bet but I still like betting over checking and hoping someone bluffs or that V1 bets/jams.
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