1/3 nlhe friday night casino. 10 handed.

V1 just sat down with $300. chinese guy looks to be in early 30's.

V2 is an old fish who looks to be a bad reg fish. he chases almost any draws, limp calls anysize raise. mainly loose passive. makes tons of postflop mistakes. Get scared when scare card hits and if the bet is big. Have never raised or bet into a pot on the flop but have check raised on river with nuts. So slow plays big hands. calls with gutshots on the turn and folds to any small bet if missed. No sizing tells though. No 3 bet ever pf. PF raising range looks to be KK+. He is running like god on river for the session and i think he is around $800. He dont calculate potsize or pot odds

Hero: 20's asian guy. spewtard at the table. Floats with nothing and mostly jam's or big bet on any scare cards at the river. Mostly in position, bet bet jam river line. SLAG. V2 knows villain. Plays ATC. Not giving other reads as it dont matter in this hand i guess. Hero covers the table.

4 limpers including V2.. Hero raises to $12 (std raise for hero) with 42o. V1 calls from sb.. V2 calls MP.

Flop (~40) : 427 r

surprisingly V2 leads out $20. Hero thinks for some time and then calls. V1 tanks for a 30 secs or so and raises to 55 or so. Hero was looking at V2 all the time and saw him taking big chips.. however, he insta calls $55 after looking at hero. now hero??????????

As played, when it gets back to me I am probably making it $160 fold against bad villain 2 although 400bbs is a lot to stack off with here but I want to isolate and not continue this multiway... I'm a bit torn between raise/calling and raise folding. I am raising flop after donk bet to $75.Why so spewy preflop? Raise more than 6x with napkins and 4 limpers already.

I don't understand what happened on the flop. V2 is in MP, how can he lead out if V1 is SB? Did V1 check first?

What range are you putting V2 on here based on your reads?

Sorry if my post was confusing. V1 checked.. V2 lead out.

Ofcourse i was putting V2 on two pair/set based on my read. He never lead out until now. that too with a aggro hero behind.

table was insensitive to my bet sizes preflop. Table knew i am going to put there stack on risk on later streets and hence most of them just folds preflop or tried to slowplay there monsters. So no point raising too much on preflop.

V2 never have lead out or raised on a flop. So what range are you assigning to him?. what if V1 comes over the top or flat calls? what is the point of isolating a passive fish?. by leading out it means he have a good hand and he is continuing.

What are the worst hands we can assign villains here?. V2 bet is not a feel bet i think

Well if that's the case then lets look at all two pair combos. You've got 72, 74, and 42. So the question is, is villain going to limp MP with hands like these and then flat calls a raise from a LAG? The only hands that make sense based on your reads are 42 and 56 sooted, 22, 44, 77.

So here your only beating one combo draw, tying with another and getting crushed by others. This is a fold IMO considering an unknown is also involved.

Fold pre. Your hand is garbage.

You played 42o looking for basically this flop, so I'm guessing you're going to gii. They can't put you on a hand here.
What do I assign to them? I think your hand is in trouble here but I don't know if you can fold since this is the kind of spot you were hoping for. V2 can easily have 88-QQ. If V1 just sat, he may not know that you're playing ATC, in which case, his hand is probably pretty legit but I don't know if it's really stronger than 88+. Rainbow board, he could be check raising a set but you hold blockers to 44 and 22.
Obviously, 42o is a bad hand and flops like this and situations like this are partly why. yiunjust don't know where you stand here. V2 flat calling the check raise means he has a pretty big hand, imo. TT+ or a set, and V1 clearly has a hand, too. I don't think you're ahead right now often enough to continue and your hand is highly unlikely to improve. It's a fold, though, when you play cards like 42o and hit, you're probably going to the end. I'm going to guess you got all your chips in and lost.

i am playing junks, because table is letting me do that and can play better postflop. i shutdown fast when they show aggression..

Result:

Just trying to understand if these kinda plays are common in live games??

Outside of the standard "fold pre" comment, I would say that folding the flop here is pretty bad especially with your image and a known passive V2 in the hand.

I don't know why you flatted against V2's donk bet. I would be making it 75-80 after V2 bets.

As played, I would be making it 175 and getting it in after V1 check raises. You have blockers against 44 and 22. If you want to splash around and play off this image you have to be willing to get it in as light as bottom two, because people are definitely going to play back at you with less.

Raising pre with 24 is just not optimal, especially if we are going to fold when we flop so well. You are likely over estimating your post flop edge. Vs a villan with virtually no preflop raising range I would assume he is capable of having a very wide range here. Not just sets which it's hard to have since we have bottom two pair.

getting it in with bottom two pair so much action on flop seems to be a bad spot and i can extract value in better spot. Stacks are deep here to play for stacks

My plan was to keep the pot small and keep calling to V2 bets.