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1/3: unclear how far to call down with TPTK 1/3: unclear how far to call down with TPTK

12-30-2019 , 09:00 PM
AdKs in MP

Stacks: $500 effective. BB, the other relevant player here, seems like a standard solid, non insane player, but I just sat down so not much more of a read than that.

Preflop:
Folds to me in MP with AdKs
I raise $15
CO, BU, BB call

My usual open is closer to $20, but I adjusted a little smaller since this table tended to open smaller ($10-12). More callers than I’d expect.

Flop ($60): As5h2h
BB $25
I call, others fold.
I don’t love that he led out into three people including the PFR, but I don’t see a good alternative to flatting here.

Turn ($110): As5h2h7h
BB $40
I call

River ($190): As5h2h7hTc
BB $75
???

Various (conflicting) thoughts:
-On the one hand, I don’t want to blindly call down three streets with TPTK for $140 after only putting in $15 preflop. However, the turn call feels OK because I think most of his made hands (non-flushes) l should check river after I call turn when the flush comes in, letting me get a cheap showdown
-I hate the river spot, which I obviously saw as a possibility when I called turn. I beat very few hands, but I don’t see how I could have gotten away earlier. Do I let this go on the river?
-His line doesn’t make a ton of sense, because I would think his made hands on the flop (2p/sets) would have checked either turn or river when the flush came in. But on the other hand, I can’t see him leading flop into three people with many heart combos. Maybe AhX (one heart)?
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12-30-2019 , 09:18 PM
Raise more pre...I don't see how in the world this is anything but a call on the river. Yes you are beat often. However, V has value he could be betting that you beat. Do you think you are good here against an unknown 1 in 5?
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12-31-2019 , 12:30 AM
Snap call river. Price is way too good and you can beat a bunch of Ax he could be overplaying.
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12-31-2019 , 01:10 AM
This tiny bet triple barrel reeks of AJ/AQ/AK at low stakes
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12-31-2019 , 11:11 PM
You're WAY underestimating how many hands you beat at these stakes, IMO. Call.
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01-01-2020 , 05:23 AM
You're getting a great price to call here but don't be surprised if you are beat imo
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01-01-2020 , 05:45 AM
Maybe raise him on the flop and then that can get him to check the turn where you can then check behind and call a river bet.
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01-01-2020 , 07:57 AM
PF is fine. AA and KK are the only hands you're way behind and they'll 3bet.

I would raise the flop. This smallish donk bet is often a FD or a Ax hand trying to see where they are at. Either way, you're ahead on the flop so it is time to charge them to see the turn.

That said after you call, I use a modification of the 4:1 SPR rule. I don't want to spend more than 4:1 SPR on a TPTK hand. That means my budget for this hand on the flop is $240. He's charging only $140. That's within my budget, so I'm calling. If I don't want to call, I'm folding on the turn, not the river.
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01-01-2020 , 08:08 AM
Fold
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01-01-2020 , 11:39 AM
Thanks for the input. Results for anyone curious:
Spoiler:
called, he had Ad5d
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01-02-2020 , 06:26 PM
I hate the preflop result (which is completely semi-standard) so I limp preflop. But I don't raise anything until the CO, so whatever.

I also don't see what else we can do but call on the flop. Folding seems too weak this early and raising is just building far too big a bloated pot for the very mediocre strength of our hand.

I exit on the turn. The main draw got there, we don't have a draw, and this guy is continuing to show pretty decent strength (in spite of a fairly smallish turn bet). About the best we can hope we're up against is AhJx or something like that, but that hand is rarely played this strongly.

I don't get to the river but I exit again. Guy has to be pretty high up in my list of semi-maniac 3barrelers to be 3barrelling worse into a multiway field and preflop raiser. ETA: Unless we have a decent read that suggests otherwise, very few opponents overvalue worse hands to this extent. And the slight read we have is that he's solid and non-insane. Our hands are tied on the flop but pretty easy exit against most on the turn, imo.

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