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1/3, two poorly played hands, looking for input 1/3, two poorly played hands, looking for input

12-28-2015 , 07:47 PM
Hand 1

Hand: Aces

Hero is UTG+2, opens with 15
BTN calls, blinds fold. Button table image: TAG-ish (definitely tight, infrequently aggressive, but capable of reraising)

Flop: 10d7d2c

Hero bets 25, button calls

Turn: Ad

Hero checks, button checks

River: some non-diamond card, I don't recall which

Hero bets 45, button raises to 105, hero folds

Analysis: As played, the river should clearly have been a check/call and not a bet/fold. My line looks bluffy to her, so the reraise should've been expected.

Unclear about the flop / turn play. If I bet 30 on the flop, I'm pretty sure the button would have folded. If I bet the turn and she called, the river would be a check/fold situation.

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Hand 2

This is my first hand at the table so I don't have any reads.

Hero is UTG+3 with KdJd.
UTG+2 opens with 15.
Hero calls, button calls, blinds call.

Flop is AQT rainbow.
SB raises to 25. BB calls.
... I was too eager with my nut straight, so I call out a reraise to 50 before the player on my right acts. Now he thinks for a bit and then calls. Dealer declares that I raise to 50 and action moves to button. (Can I change my action after acting out of turn?)

Button folds, blinds call.

Turn is another Q. Blinds check, player on right shoves all-in, and he covers me. I have 235 remaining in my stack. I call, reasoning that maybe he's just a bad player who is trying to get value from triple Qs, or maybe he's putting me on something like AK. Of course he has a full house (queens over tens) and I get stacked.

Analysis: Acting out of turn was definitely major -EV. He might've raised on the flop, in which case I should have definitely shoved. And if I hadn't acted out of turn on the flop, and UTG+2 called anyway, I think I should've put in a higher reraise, say to 125. If I had reraised to 125... I guess that would make the turn an easier fold (since it's more likely that whoever called me had 2 pair), but I think a turn call would also be reasonable as I'd be pot committed at this point.

As played, should I have called the turn all-in?

Last edited by purplepokerplayer; 12-28-2015 at 08:00 PM.
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12-28-2015 , 08:38 PM
Well, if you're not a gimmick account, first don't ever post results. It influences the advice that you get, in a bad way.

Secondly, we need preflop stack sizes of you and your opponents at the start of the hand. Then, for the best advice, help us keep track of the pot size at each decision point. See other posts for examples.

Thirdly, it's best to post one hand per thread. That will get the most active discussion going.
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12-28-2015 , 09:30 PM
Hand 1: Play is fine till river. Turn is very situational, you should bet some of the time depending on how wide villain calls flop, how aggressive villain is and stack sizes. River is a check/evaluate with an eye towards calling because you beat everything but flushes. If villain is capable of raising river with less then a flush you should call here some of the time.

Hand 2: Why are you calling with KJs from EP your first hand? Flop depends on stack sizes but the min raise is bad. You give away your hand as being strong and only two pair/sets will continue. Folding when the board pairs on the turn is obvious. Villain flat calling flop knowing your forced to raise behind is absurdly strong. AQ is probably the weakest hand you can expect here.

As for changing your action, if villain folds or flat calls you have to follow through. If villain raises then your raise is negated and you can do whatever you want.
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12-28-2015 , 11:26 PM
whickerda: Thanks for the feedback, will keep this in mind for future posts. It's not a gimmick account, I'm pretty new to 2+2.

QuadJ:

> Turn is very situational, you should bet some of the time depending on how wide villain calls flop, how aggressive villain is and stack sizes.

So if I understand correctly... if the villain calls wide, I should bet more often. If the villain is aggressive, I should bet less often.

Stack sizes -- I had ~450 behind, she had ~300, so we're relatively deep stacked. I guess that means I should bet the turn less often for pot control?

> Why are you calling with KJs from EP your first hand?

Are you saying that I should reraise or that I should fold?
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12-28-2015 , 11:41 PM
Hand 1 is a call OTR.

Quote:
Originally Posted by purplepokerplayer
Are you saying that I should reraise or that I should fold?
Fold.
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12-30-2015 , 04:56 AM
Stacks would be nice.

Call it off on hand 1, plenty of silly two pairs or weird sets to snag, probably bet the ace though smallish for info.

Hand 2 was just not good. With this many players to a wet, smashville of a flop we need to go for max value, minraising is silliness. AP its gross and the results being posted makes me say fold. ( ' _ ' *)

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12-30-2015 , 05:29 AM
Hand 1 bet the turn for sure. Yeah it sucks that a flush just got there and fish always chase their random flush draws, but our hand improved so tremendously we still beat everything else that is chasing, and of course full house draw :P If she calls your turn bet then x/f river. You could even go for a little blocking bet like $50 into $200 or so depending upon how you sized the turn to get there.

Hand 2 calling preflop new to the table with semi-decent position is ok. Sure you dont know if there are any payoff masters but cmon, it's live and you have KJs, this is worth a call. You know for sure if you hit a big hand chances are somebody is going to give you some money. When you flop the nuts dont be gay and minraise, put in a proper raise to $75 or $100. When villain calls anyway after you raise which is pretty laughable you should know that he for sure 100% has a hand. I'd be putting him on a set looking to c/r the **** out of me, which is fine of course since we have the nuts. When the board pairs and he called your bet despite acting out of turn it's just such a mess you have to give him credit for some kind of hand. I probably still call it off but like, wtf he knows you wanted to raise and calls anyway? lol
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12-30-2015 , 06:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by javi
but our hand improved so tremendously we still beat everything else that is chasing
But our relative hand strength decreased a ton
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