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05-25-2018 , 04:11 AM

LordRiverRat

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Villain (BTN): 50 ish white guy clearly on vacation, just sat and ordered a Bourbon ($275)
Hero (BB): late 20s Asian guy (covers)

Three limps to villain who makes it $10 on the button. SB folds, hero makes it $42 in the BB with Q

. Folded back to villain and he quickly calls.

Flop: A

($89)

Checked through.

Turn: 6

($89)

Hero reaches for chips and villain bets $15 out of turn.

Unless villain is new to poker, everything he's done has indicated weakness. At this point I'm 99% sure I have the best hand. If I check action stays and I'll have to check raise, which looks strong. Or I can just bet out and allow him to fold. Which one?

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05-25-2018 , 04:26 AM

Czech Rays

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Absolutely standard pre and flop.

Now just continue to trap and reel him in on the river.

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05-25-2018 , 05:12 AM

m0mmy

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Originally Posted by LordRiverRat

:. Folded back to villain and he quickly calls.

Flop: A

: ($89)

Checked through.

Turn: 6

: ($89)

Hero reaches for chips and villain bets $15 out of turn.

Unless villain is new to poker, everything he's done has indicated weakness. At this point I'm 99% sure I have the best hand. If I check action stays and I'll have to check raise, which looks strong. Or I can just bet out and allow him to fold. Which one?

If he really is this clueless i dont think "check raising" is gonna mean that much more of a difference to him than just betting out. If hes gonna call then hes gonna call. You might as well take the line that guarantees you 15$
But honestly id rather talk about the pre-flop action. I think Q6s is a pretty spewy 3bet OOP vs an unkown with multiple players left to act.

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05-25-2018 , 08:26 AM

LordRiverRat

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In my experience 95% of the time all the limpers will fold. So I don't even take limpers into consideration when making this play.

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05-25-2018 , 08:31 AM

m0mmy

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Originally Posted by LordRiverRat

In my experience 95% of the time all the limpers will fold. So I don't even take limpers into consideration when making this play.

Just out of curiosity whats the worst hand you would 3! villain with?

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05-25-2018 , 08:40 AM

AllTheCheese

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Pick 3b bluffing hands that have playability when called. This hand has no equity on too many flops to be playing this hard, especially oop.

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05-25-2018 , 11:48 AM

Javanewt

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I don't like the 3bet OOP with this hand, but whatever. Why didn't you bet the flop?

As played, I like a check/raise to $30, even though I'm usually not a fan of min-raises. Much more and you might lose him, but I want to get a little in there.

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05-25-2018 , 11:50 AM

gobbledygeek

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There's no reason to get out of line like this preflop, too FPS, imo. I just fold.

I'm ok with the flop as we're pretty much WA/WB.

Ha, weird turn spot. I'm assuming we're cool playing for stacks against a noobish player, in which case I think we just have to go for the gold. So I'd check to guarantee I get the $15, and then check/raise to like $60 to enable us to play for stacks by the river.

GcluelessNLnoobG

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05-25-2018 , 11:57 AM

Joey913

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Originally Posted by Czech Rays

Absolutely standard pre and flop.

Now just continue to trap and reel him in on the river.

lol good sarcasm.

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05-25-2018 , 02:33 PM

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shorn7

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Originally Posted by LordRiverRat

Villain (BTN): 50 ish white guy clearly on vacation, just sat and ordered a Bourbon ($275)
Hero (BB): late 20s Asian guy (covers)

Three limps to villain who makes it $10 on the button. SB folds, hero makes it $42 in the BB with Q

. Folded back to villain and he quickly calls.

Flop: A

($89)

Checked through.

Turn: 6

Just as an aside, this might describe me too so u just cant assume that he is a donkey and 3! this trash pre. At least wait a lap or two to figure it out.

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05-25-2018 , 04:11 PM

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LordRiverRat

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Since someone asked, I'd 3 bet fairly wide in this spot with a mix of mostly suited bluffs and also a wider value range. I wouldn't dare make this play with tricky limpers but like I said, 95% of the time at straightforward 1/3 tables they fold so I just see it as more dead money to attack.

Worst hand? Depends on villain - if I see him raising tiny in LP a lot even a hand like T5s can be a candidate. Since I haven't really played this guy, Q6s is probably near the bottom.

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05-25-2018 , 11:52 PM

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Koss

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I don't think 3-betting a rec player light OOP is a great play. Calling wouldn't be terrible given the small raise, or just fold.

If someone bets OOP when I have a hand I would love to x/r with, don't give them a way out. Yeah, it's only $15, but he's either got a garbage hand that will fold if you bet, or he has "something" that he thinks is worth $15. So x/r to $60 and hope he thinks his hand is worth $45 more.

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05-26-2018 , 01:21 AM

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flopturntree

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I actually like the 3b. But please don't get carried away and do this too often. Maybe once every two or three or four orbits in a good squeeze spot like this one. Keep in mind though if you make this play, your goal should be to take it down preflop. If you show it down next time you 3b you better have the goodies lol.

Worth mentioning sizing. If you have big stack over 200b, I think 46 is okay but 35-40 accomplishes the same thing. IF hes folding hes folding.

I lead flop.

As played bet 50-60 turn he's probably going to call you, and continuing on most if not all rivers.

Nice hand

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05-26-2018 , 02:02 AM

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adam levine

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Nobody has said it yet, but fold pre.When 3 bet bluffing chose hands with blockers, A2-5 suited work much better. This is pure spew.From a live reads perspective, this guy came to gamble not fold, play accordingly.

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05-26-2018 , 02:11 AM

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PFunkaliscious

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make it 40. if you call the 15, do you really think that he is going to bet the river with his 99, or whatever he might have?

if you make it 40, he still might call.

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05-26-2018 , 05:55 AM

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LordRiverRat

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Originally Posted by Koss

I don't think 3-betting a rec player light OOP is a great play. Calling wouldn't be terrible given the small raise, or just fold.

But then we have Q6s OOP multiway. What are we supposed to do? x/f 90% of flops and continue with a horrible reverse implied odds hand the other 10% of the time?

Anyways, I checked to force the $15 to stay then I raised to $65. He snap shoves. WTF? Guess I just have to fold? Weird way to play a nutted hand but nothing else makes sense.

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