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1/3 Two pair on the flop, with nasty turn 1/3 Two pair on the flop, with nasty turn

06-04-2018 , 01:37 AM
$200 eff

Reg opens for $12 UTG, I flat 87dd in MP (probs a fold pre), 3 more callers including V on BTN (loose player, calls a bit too wide but have seen him bet flop/turn with middle pair in position but for small amounts)

Flop T87dhh (60)
Reg checks, I bet $45, only V calls after thinking a while, all others fold

Turn Ah (150)
H ??

What's my line here?
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06-04-2018 , 02:04 AM
It’s not “probs a fold pre”

It’s a very clear fold pre. Calling here is a huge huge leak.

Very huge leak. Especially if you dont know what to do ott.

Ott is also a clear bet. Ah is such a good card because he almost never has a flush here (lots of very strong regs esp in higher stakes will check AKhh/AQhh/Axhh otf)
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06-04-2018 , 02:49 AM
I agree with the pre advice, but V in this hand is the looser BTN, not the reg
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06-04-2018 , 03:59 AM
All-in. His range on the flop is too wide to assume he has a big hand here. He can have hands like Q9o, JTo whose equity you want to deny.
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06-04-2018 , 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by KID777777
I agree with the pre advice, but V in this hand is the looser BTN, not the reg
Oh woops. My bad.

Turn is pretty much a jam imo. Pot is $150 and we have $143 back. We can't just bet something like $100 and leave $43 behind.

He has a good amount of pair + SD that will call a bet, and if he folds, great for us. He'll also have hearts a lot and we get stacked, but we dug our own grave pre. I would not check.

Also top off. There are a lot of bad players in 1/3, and you need to be taking their entire stacks when they make mistakes.
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06-04-2018 , 02:01 PM
My guess is you'll need position to play this hand profitably to a raise; we have horrible relative position (trapped between the raiser and then OOP to the rest of the field, the expected result). I fold preflop.

SPR is 3 and board is drawy. I feel committed so I PSB the flop in order to shove safe turns.

Fairly craptastic turn card, and it's not impossible that we were behind on the flop. I think I change my commitment plan and check/fold.

ETA: But if we still feel committed I don't hate a jam either. He could have 9x (with a pair) so it's possible we're still ahead. If we made a larger flop bet it would make committing easier (for instance, a PSB on the flop leaves a $128 bet into $180 which is much easier to feel committed on).


GcluelessNLnoobG
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06-04-2018 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
Also top off. There are a lot of bad players in 1/3, and you need to be taking their entire stacks when they make mistakes.
It's possible OP might be one of those bad 1/3 NL players you are referring to; if so, playing shorterstacked might not be a bad idea. (Not a shot at OP, just an observation to consider)

GcluelessNLnoobG
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06-16-2018 , 01:33 AM
At the table, I thought that my 2p was a bluffcatcher as now I'm behind A8,A7,A10 and flushes. I assumed that the sd+pair part of his range wouldn't jam this turn.
So I checked/ he jammed pot, and I folded
I'm always topping up to the max limit btw, would love more than the 200max available here at Crown
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06-16-2018 , 03:13 AM
Easy fold pre.

If you have a bluffcatcher, call now because we need to be good 1:3. I think we probably are. Range villain is the answer.

EDIT

I think we should call now. We can take a conservative line preflop and then say villain jams OESD-type hands and better now (which he easily can) and end up with a ton of hands we are ahead of. We need sub-33% equity and he surely bets all his sets OTF.

Last edited by WereBeer; 06-16-2018 at 03:31 AM.
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06-16-2018 , 05:39 AM
Fold pre is good, i've called here and got whipped by a reraise. It's frustrating though when you get no cards.
I shove turn. I don't assume I'm beat.
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06-16-2018 , 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by KID777777
$200 eff

Reg opens for $12 UTG, I flat 87dd in MP (probs a fold pre), 3 more callers including V on BTN (loose player, calls a bit too wide but have seen him bet flop/turn with middle pair in position but for small amounts)

Flop T87dhh (60)
Reg checks, I bet $45, only V calls after thinking a while, all others fold

Turn Ah (150)
H ??

What's my line here?
[Grunch] - And we now see the reason why playing speculative hands OOP is not all that sexy. I don't have this playbook, however, the best players have: they know how they are going to handle the vast majority of situations post-flop, because they've played them out at home vs. various types of players they play against. IMHO, since you didn't know what was the way to handle this, you weren't prepared to play the hand. I fold pre, because I don't know how to play it post-flop OOP, which is yet another reason I am not a Crusher [making $30+ pr hr over the last 1500hrs] playing 1/3NL.
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