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1/3 Two hands raised postflop when oop 1/3 Two hands raised postflop when oop

11-23-2014 , 02:32 AM
1/3 crown melbourne 200max

first hand: utg (loose passive pre) limps, i raise 99x in HJ to $16. CO -$140 - senior indian woman, definite fish, called 3/4 psb otf and ott in previous hand with 4 high flush draw) flats. BB - $140 - (no reads yet) flats also, UTG folds. I cover both with $550 which i won in first 5 hands i was at the table, wouldnt have much of an image but doubtful these villians have thought about my play at all.

$47 post rake

flop 654x

BB Xs, I cbet $35 (should i bet more or perhaps check this board?). CO min raises to $70. My question is what would be best if the BB folds?

Second hand: an orbit or two later I iso raise vs UTG limp ($300 stack, loose passive pre but overbets at at least half the flops he sees) with TxTx in MP1 to $15. CO flats ($300, 3bet me an orbit earlier with A5o in SB vs my CO raise, seems to realize I'm capable of at least some level of thought) and utg calls too. I cover both.

$45 post rake

flop 533 rainbow UTG Xs, I bet $20 (too small i know). CO calls utg folds.

$81

turn Kx i bet $40.

Decided to bet this turn because I think that he will think that I'm double barreling with a lot of bluffs trying to rep the king and call with all his lower pockets pairs and some 5x hands. He raises to $95. As I'm tanking he is talking happily with the people around him and not paying attention to me. Also wasn't too happy with taking a X/C line either. Your play?
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11-23-2014 , 04:21 AM
Hand 1 is an easy fold, given that she played a flush draw passively earlier, V is only doing this with made hands, which are 2P+, as such we're smoked and can easily fold even though we're getting a 'good price', since we're almost never ahead, and very often drawing to runner-runner against a straight.

In hand 2, given the V description I think x/c turn, x/eval river is better, since he seems like the sort who will stab when checked to on what he sees as scare cards. We need a far more detailed description of Vs pre-flop calling frequency/tendencies in order to made a good decision here however. His only real value hand here is 3x, and he's capable of making moves; however his small sizing looks quite value-y. If his pre-flop tendencies eliminate most 3x type hands then I'm gritting my teeth and calling down, but if he's seeing a bunch of flops then I'm probably folding.

It's best to ignore these sorts of live tells from someone who has some poker experience since you'll end up levelling yourself too often. (If V was a rec. fish then talking is super strong though.)
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11-23-2014 , 08:54 AM
Hand 1:

Preflop: I limp behind.

as played:

Flop: Your bet is good, you have the overpair on a dangerous board. After she rasied, I let it go. I do not want to get involved in a big pot with one pair.


Hand 2:

Preflop: I limp behind.

as played:

Flop: I make it more like $35.

Turn: I would have checked..

as played:

tough spot, he is giving you almost 4-1 to call, however, all you have is 2nd pair. He called you twice and now he raises. Red flag warning, or making a move. Would he really call preflop with a three? A3s, 43? If you reraise and he pops you back, you can pretty much let it go. That being said, I am not much on building a large pot with 2nd pair. I am very nitty, in the heat of battle, I could see me calling and see what the river brought. i can also see me folding, and waiting for a better spot.
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11-23-2014 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Corto Montez
Hand 1 is an easy fold, given that she played a flush draw passively earlier, V is only doing this with made hands, which are 2P+, as such we're smoked and can easily fold even though we're getting a 'good price', since we're almost never ahead, and very often drawing to runner-runner against a straight.

In hand 2, given the V description I think x/c turn, x/eval river is better, since he seems like the sort who will stab when checked to on what he sees as scare cards. We need a far more detailed description of Vs pre-flop calling frequency/tendencies in order to made a good decision here however. His only real value hand here is 3x, and he's capable of making moves; however his small sizing looks quite value-y. If his pre-flop tendencies eliminate most 3x type hands then I'm gritting my teeth and calling down, but if he's seeing a bunch of flops then I'm probably folding.

It's best to ignore these sorts of live tells from someone who has some poker experience since you'll end up levelling yourself too often. (If V was a rec. fish then talking is super strong though.)
One thing I forgot to mention was that she didnt look confident at all. It was genuine as well, she counted the call first then went to minraise so maybe she can be raising 6x? I know its a live tell but it was as obvious as they come imo.

From what I could gather over the 9 hours i played with villain in hand 2 he played wide in position (suited connectors even 32, liked to play his broadway cards too). Wasn't aware of how wide he played in position when this hand happened though.
Quote:
Originally Posted by willperkins
Hand 1:

Preflop: I limp behind.

as played:

Flop: Your bet is good, you have the overpair on a dangerous board. After she rasied, I let it go. I do not want to get involved in a big pot with one pair.


Hand 2:

Preflop: I limp behind.

as played:

Flop: I make it more like $35.

Turn: I would have checked..

as played:

tough spot, he is giving you almost 4-1 to call, however, all you have is 2nd pair. He called you twice and now he raises. Red flag warning, or making a move. Would he really call preflop with a three? A3s, 43? If you reraise and he pops you back, you can pretty much let it go. That being said, I am not much on building a large pot with 2nd pair. I am very nitty, in the heat of battle, I could see me calling and see what the river brought. i can also see me folding, and waiting for a better spot.
limp both TT and 99? There are spots where I'd do this but against a single limp i like to raise. Agree folding is best with the 99.

I think in retrospect a X would be best probably to simply avoid this raise, he shouldn't have a king (rarely he might if he for some reason floated flop with KQ, KJ because my flop bet could be perceived as weak.) If I could play the hand again I definitely like X/C turn and X/eval most rivers and calling often, depending on the size of the river bet.

Thanks to both for ur help
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11-23-2014 , 02:33 PM
Hand 1: Iso smaller. I know everyone in this sub disagrees with that approach to mid pairs, but I plan to make a post here in the near future with a thorough defense of it.

As played, I probably just get it in against a clueless fish who doesn't seem in love with their hand. I'm not shocked to see 77/88/76 here, which probably feels like a monster hand for her but also feels vulnerable. It's also entirely possible that she has the nuts and she has no idea how to take the betting lead. I can't say I blame anyone for folding here, and I probably would too without the tell, but I'm willing to gamble here. Worst case scenario, we're 100bbs+ deep on a fish to our direct right for the rest of the session.

Hand 2:

This is kind of a gross spot. If villain is playing back at our PFRs light, then it both makes it more likely that he's raising here with bluffs and more likely that he has 3x or Kx. I'm inclined to think anyone who 3bs an A-rag out of the blinds and shows it is a bit infatuated with making plays, which makes me loathe to fold this strong of an overpair on a paired board. I probably go into the tank, ask him how much he has left behind, grimace when he tells you he has over $150, tank some more and then sullenly slide chips into the middle. This will keep his finger on the trigger, even when the river blanks, so we can x/c it off more comfortably.
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