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04-21-2017 , 10:08 AM
1/3, extremely fishy table - NO competent players
Everyone seems half drunk, it's Friday night
9 players

Hand1
Hero is in the small blind with AA ($300). There are two limpers.
Villain1 (100/40, 65yo WM, $500) raises to $15 from the CO, button folds, I reraise to $40
Yes you read that correctly. He folded pre-flop three times in 3 hours and they were to 3-bets.
Limpers fold and villain1 calls.
Flop ($89) JJ5r
Hero bet $50. Villain shoves.
What do you do?

Hand2
Hero has $300, is on the button with Qc 9h. There are 3 limpers. I just limp behind. Both the blinds call.
Flop ($18) Qd 7d 4s It's checked to me and I bet $15. Villain2 in the SB (40/5, 60yo WM, $800 on heater) calls, as do two other limpers.
Turn ($78) 9s. Villain2 checks.

How much do you bet?
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04-21-2017 , 10:32 AM
Hand 1 - No reads on V's post-flop play? Has he showed aggression before? You've been at the table with him for 3 hours and he plays every hand so you should have some reads on him post-flop.

If he's calling basically everything I'd 3-bet slightly bigger, probably 60. My default sizing would be $45 (3x the initial raise) but I size up both for being OOP and against a very stick V while I have a value hand. As played I probably gii but again depends o reads.

Hand 2 - Bet $60 on turn.
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04-21-2017 , 10:40 AM
You seem to be posting alot of questions that pertain to pretty obvious situations,I'll start with hand two.... Obvious bet, you should be able to determine a decent amount yourself:
A decent stand point for bet sizing is between 50-100% pot, use that as a stand point, on a dry board go towards the 50 on a wet board go towards the 100, in this instance I would go for 65ish I think

First hand is a tough spot, aggro villans love to bluff shove paired boards, so I probably call it off bit I'm not in love with it.

All your posts have an air of entitlement, you say all villans are totally incompetent idiots.... That just doesn't happen anymore... get your head out of your ass, drop the entitled prep boy attitude and start actually analysing your villans play rather than just labelling everyone as a donk.
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04-21-2017 , 12:26 PM
H1:

I don't like our preflop raise sizing. It gives him 12:1 IO to ~setmine, and given that we'll never be able to fold postflop, that's not horrendous odds. Plus this guy never folds preflop. I make it $55 (which offers poor 8:1 IO and it sounds like he's very unlikely to fold).

SPR is 3 and board is drawless. How bluffy is this Villain? The more bluffy he is the more we could check a street to induce, or bet a scardy cat small bet to induce, etc. Even if that doesn't work and flop checks thru, the SPR is still small enough where we can get in stacks in just 2 streets.

I probably call the shove. Most Jx will slowplay in position for fear of allowing us off the hook, and there's still other hands that could consider themselves nuttish (QQ/TT/etc.). We still lose a lot, but I'm guessing we win enough.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Last edited by gobbledygeek; 04-21-2017 at 12:33 PM.
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04-21-2017 , 12:30 PM
H2:

I'm fine with preflop. Speculative hand for cheap on the Button with ******s, let's see a cheap flop!

I also bet the flop when checked to (we're the Button right, not the BB?) as most better hands will have bet this drawy board. When lol 3 players call, I'm a little worried.

Pretty awesome turn card as it improves our hand and doesn't complete any draws. Again the world checks to us, and I think if someone had a better hand on this drawy board they would probably take over for fear of it checking thru. I think I'm ok with working towards playing for stacks here (which isn't something we should often be looking to do in limped pots). I'd probably go fairly big, upwards of PSB.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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04-21-2017 , 12:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ronrabbit
All your posts have an air of entitlement, you say all villans are totally incompetent idiots.... That just doesn't happen anymore... get your head out of your ass, drop the entitled prep boy attitude and start actually analysing your villans play rather than just labelling everyone as a donk.
+1

Ggoodadvice,imoG
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04-21-2017 , 01:22 PM
Hand 1: Raise more preflop. Your playing a villain who is playing every hand, hates to fold, and your OOP. There is no reason to be subtle or try and suck villain in. Make it $75-100. After you play him for a while you can learn what his exact tolerance level is. As played call the shove but villain will have JX or 55 an annoying portion of the time.

Hand 2: Preflop is thin even limping from the button but not terrible. Flop I would bet a bit less, better queens are not going away and 65 is the only real draw. Turn is a great card that puts you ahead of QX, helps some 7X and add some draws without putting anybody ahead of you. With that many villains $50-$60.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ronrabbit
All your posts have an air of entitlement, you say all villans are totally incompetent idiots.... That just doesn't happen anymore...
Cut him a break. He said no competent players, not that everybody else was bad.
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04-21-2017 , 02:43 PM
^ this was in response to op posting many hands that start in the same 'everyone at the table is a fish'
This doesn't happen any more, in fact alot of the time we are lucky to find 2-3 genuine fish at a table and 1 whale....
Most players now are at-least semi confident and Imo op would do well to start analysing players tendencies properly rather than just labelling every one as incompotent.
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04-21-2017 , 03:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by QuadJ
Cut him a break. He said no competent players, not that everybody else was bad.
It's a common tone that has run thruout OPs threads.

Gadvicenotunwarranted,imoG
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04-21-2017 , 07:56 PM
Hand 1. Little more pre, much less otf. That's a pretty bad card to have paired otf given the PF action. if you were going to fold it would be on JJx, QQx boards when holding AA. If you were going to call, it would be because "AK missed" and pairs do this too.

Hand 2. A lot, V has too much air on the river so get as much value as you can on the turn and call any shove ldo.
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04-22-2017 , 09:38 PM
Hand 1, cmon man, you can't post this hand without posting something about villain's postflop play. Also, larger threebet. This guy raises 40% of hands, if he frequently folded to threebets then you should be hammering him with them constantly, you're not because in reality he won't fold to them that much. Edit: With just the info given I'm snap calling the flop shove and hoping "he put us on AK", would want some specific info that villain doesn't bluff postflop to fold, which seems unlikely given his preflop tendencies.

Hand 2: $60. Good hand, take manies.
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04-23-2017 , 07:59 AM
Hand 1 more pre, x flop, as played snap call

Hand 2 fold pre, poker is ez
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04-23-2017 , 08:13 AM
Folding Q9o pre on the button after three limpers is burning money. It's a slightly better than average hand against a table of bad players, probably also with slightly better than average hands, and you have position on all of them. I'd only fold if there's someone in the blinds who habitually raises out of them.

You do have to be sensible with the hand postflop, eg. if the flop comes Qxx and UTG leads out, you just muck your hand.

Only just noticed that Villain2 is identified in H2 but never does anything of note. I presume he's about to c/r or something.
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