1/3, weekend, daytime
Mostly standard, lose-passive, fishy table, most hands multiway
Villain A (25yo Asian male, 80/15) is extremely loose preflop, and almost always calls a raise, without raising himself all that often. He is, however, extremely aggressive postflop, bluffing way too often, donkbetting on multiple streets, and overvaluing one-pair hands (often he will shove with one pair on a wet board on river). He has lost many buyins over the last few hours.

Villain B (70yo white male, 25/5) has a huge stack and is your typical tourist of limited refinement on a heater guzzling multiple glasses of beer.

Hero has a very tight image on this table, being card dead and not hitting the few flops he plays.

Hand 1
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Villain A (HJ, $300) and Villain B (CO, $1,200) limp.
Hero ($550) raises to $20 on the button with AQss
Villain A and Villain B both call.
Flop ($64): Qd Js 4d

Villain A donkbets $55, Villain B folds, Hero calls
Turn ($174): 9d
Villain A donkbets $100
What do you do? What might you have done earlier?


Hand 2
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Villain A (HJ, $150) and Villain B (CO, $1,500) limp.
Hero ($360) raises to $20 on the button with AKhd
Villain A and Villain B both call.
Flop ($64): Ks 10c 3c

Checked to Hero, who bets $40
Villain A and Villain B call.
Turn ($144): 6s
Villain A moves in for his remaining $90, and Villain B calls.
Hero has $300 behind. What do you do?

Hand 1 I like the flop and from there I'm in call down mode, vs this villain in particular.

Hand 2 I would probably just shove at these depths.

Hand 1 is fine so far. A fold would be ok, as obviously there are many hands you lose to and even KQ and QT have pretty good equity as does any diamond.

I might call as well against a drinking rec. I often err on the side of stubbornness. Kind of a live read spot.


Hand 2: All in 100%.

Hand 1 - played fine. On the turn, V bets 100 and has only 125 behind. You have to decide if you're playing for his full stack. If yes, call this bet and call on any river that is not a diamond or T. If no, fold. Against this type of player, you're just going to have to white knuckle it and call him down if he's THAT loose. If you fold too often in this spot, you're exploitable.

Hand 2 - If Villain B has a strong hand, he would raise to try and get Hero out of the pot. More likely B is on a draw. You have to shove and force B to pay full freight to see the river card. If you just call, what's your plan if Villain B shoves on you on the river? He could rep a spade flush, club flush, numerous straights, as well as any hand that beats top top. It would be a really tough spot, and you may be folding the best hand a good percentage of the time.

Hand 1: all draws get there on turn. Even maniacs make hands occasionally. Fold.

Hand 2: agree with others it’s a jam.

I think I size up a little more preflop in hand 1. I probably raise flop versus this opponent. As played close, but I might call it down.

Hand 2, same preflop. On the flop I’d just shove it in now.


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I think I shove both hands.

Edit : missread hand1, still not folding.

Thank you all for your input.

Hand 1: I folded, considering I lost to too many hands. In retrospect I probably could have considered a min-raise or a slightly more than min-raise. This would have meant that Villain was committed if he wanted to continue and would have had to shove and he no longer had room to manoeuvre given the stack sizes. Villain has been known to re-re-bluff all in when deeper when someone tried to play back at his bluff by re-bluffing or raising.

Hand 2: I shoved and Villain B called. Villain A instantly mucked his hand without even waiting for the dealer to deal the river. The river was a brick card, and Villain B wins with a set of treys. He passively slow-played his bottom set on a wettish board all the way through. D'oh!

PS. Villain B is just the kind of player who would call a shove with a draw on the turn, regardless of the odds offered. These players like to gamble!

Hand 1 I jam turn. If he has tptk beat I salute him and reload. Ya, a lot of draws got there on turn but there are a pile of other draws that were created including oesd's and single Ad Kd hands that he would continue betting.

Hand 2 results were posted but a tourist cold calling like that is always a huge hand. Shoving would be a weaker move in this spot.

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H1:

Since we know that both whales are calling our preflop raise, we know the SPR against the bluffier short V1 is going to be just over 4 when we raise to $20. With an SPR of ~4ish against V1, stacks will be able to go in trivially postflop (possibly in just 2 streets). So we have to ask ourselves whether we are cool with getting in stacks with TP having offered V1 15:1 IO preflop (things get even more difficult against the deeper stacked villain, but let's take it one step at a time).

I'm typically more conservative and like offering poorer IO than 15:1 so I probably would have raised to $30 to target V1 and then dealt with things if V2 got involved.

But since you raised to $20 and offered 15:1 IO to V1, I can only assume you must be cool with committing postflop with TP. So do so, imo. The flop is pretty drawy and this guy can overvalue, so I'd probably raise the flop to shove the turn. As played, the turn is pretty gross and multiple draws got there, so at this point you might have to change your commitment plan and consider folding.

Commit earlier (both preflop and flop), imo.


H2:

Against V1, I like our preflop sizing (easy commitment with TP). It's an awkward stack against V2 though, and you could argue for much larger (like $35) to setup easy commitment against him. The SPR shows why this is awkward, in that you've created an SPR of 5ish which will force you to play for stacks with TP, and yet you offered pretty decent 18:1 IO to V2.

So again, we're in a commitment spot postflop although perhaps somewhat uncomfortably so due to the IO we offered preflop. We're likely forced to shove the rest in on the turn as played.


Overcall, even just going 3ways to the flop (which isn't very multiway at all) will still have a profound affect on both the SPR (typically making it small enough where we'll mostly have to commit with TP postflop barring a stupid runout) versus the IO (which unfortunately we've offered a bit too good of, imo). To combat this, I think we should be raising much larger preflop, especially with these 2 non-folding whales involved.

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In some cases, I agree. But not this spot. This is a terrible spot to flat a set of 3s. Two flush draws, potential straight draws, two pair combos that can boat up and beat us. V is very lucky that Hero had a hand like AK and he was drawing dead.