Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > >

Notices

Live Low-stakes NL Discussion of up to 3/5 live no-limit, pot-limit and spread-limit Texas Hold'em poker games, situations and strategies.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-24-2015, 11:00 AM   #1
WRH
centurion
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 160
$1/$3 Turned boat, fireworks on the river

Villain is a middle aged Asian who loves to gamble. Started the hand with $395.

Hero is an early thirties white guy and recently doubled up after raising J-J and flopping set over set. ($600)

Villain limps UTG
Three other players limp (SB, BB and MP)
Hero limps on the button with A6

Flop ($15): A96
Checked to Hero who bets $10, Villain calls, other players fold

Turn ($35): A
Obviously a great card for me as it completes the flush draw and boats my hand.
Hero bets $20, Villain calls.

River: 5
Villain bets $45, Hero raises to $145, Villain shoves. Hero?

Can I find a fold here? How often is he going to show up with A-9? It feels super nitty to fold the second nuts. I feel he has a lot more diamonds in his range and possibly 9-9.

Is this a clear call/ cooler if he has A-9?
WRH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2015, 11:11 AM   #2
TTBH240
journeyman
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 277
Re: $1/$3 Turned boat, fireworks on the river

Never, ever folding in this spot.
TTBH240 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2015, 11:16 AM   #3
Madian
journeyman
 
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 200
Re: $1/$3 Turned boat, fireworks on the river

I think it's crazy to fold here, also because of the disclaimer you put on V.
Madian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2015, 11:39 AM   #4
ChicagoLex
journeyman
 
ChicagoLex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 245
Re: $1/$3 Turned boat, fireworks on the river

We're 72:28 ahead of a range of {A5,A6,A9,99}. Depending on what "likes to gamble" means, he may have 55 here as well.

Definitely a call when we're only 130BB deep. Need more reads if we're 200BB+.
ChicagoLex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2015, 11:58 AM   #5
WRH
centurion
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 160
Re: $1/$3 Turned boat, fireworks on the river

Thanks for the replies. I didn't think there was anyway to fold this hand. I called the shove. I think you can guess what he had.
WRH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2015, 01:46 PM   #6
Dutchstreetfish
adept
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: NYC
Posts: 832
Re: $1/$3 Turned boat, fireworks on the river

I was thinking he might have 87 but... Guess he had A9 based on your last post.
Did you check the river? I would have bet river, if he raises you have option to shove or call.
Never folding A6 here. If V likes to gamble, limping A9 UTG is in his range but only one of many hands he might have here.
Dutchstreetfish is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2015, 02:14 PM   #7
WRH
centurion
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 160
Re: $1/$3 Turned boat, fireworks on the river

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutchstreetfish View Post
I was thinking he might have 87 but... Guess he had A9 based on your last post.
Did you check the river? I would have bet river, if he raises you have option to shove or call.
Never folding A6 here. If V likes to gamble, limping A9 UTG is in his range but only one of many hands he might have here.
He bet the river ($45), I raised to $145. He then shoved. I actually thought for a minute before calling. I figured I was way ahead of his range, I just happened to run into the top.
WRH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2015, 02:20 PM   #8
CaliPoker
enthusiast
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 58
Re: $1/$3 Turned boat, fireworks on the river

A cooler for sure.
CaliPoker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2015, 02:20 PM   #9
Samball49
enthusiast
 
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 56
Re: $1/$3 Turned boat, fireworks on the river

Never folding, Good play.
Samball49 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2015, 03:09 PM   #10
patchohare
The Situation
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,966
Re: $1/$3 Turned boat, fireworks on the river

fist pump, slap the waitress five, head nod and tip the dealer before villain shows.....then laugh w the rest of the table when your shown A9.

but seriously this is never ever anything other than a get all your $ in the middle spot
patchohare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2015, 04:10 PM   #11
WRH
centurion
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 160
Re: $1/$3 Turned boat, fireworks on the river

Quote:
Originally Posted by patchohare View Post
fist pump, slap the waitress five, head nod and tip the dealer before villain shows.....then laugh w the rest of the table when your shown A9.

but seriously this is never ever anything other than a get all your $ in the middle spot
Ha ha ha yeah. Pretty much what happened. I gave him a sincere "Very nice hand. " He expressed genuine shock that I had a boat too.
WRH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2015, 04:38 PM   #12
patchohare
The Situation
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,966
Re: $1/$3 Turned boat, fireworks on the river

One thing I forgot to mention earlier was raise pre.

A suited A otb is a strong hand in a limped pot. There's dead $ in already and your giving yourself more ways to win. also you don't want the blinds in w/ atc, which is what happens at these levels. It's super hard to play when you can't define ranges.

the bigger the pot the tougher it is for the limp callers to play post flop. (Their more fit/fold post)

some will argue that you want to over flush villains w/ Axs. This happens very rarely and if it's going to happen it's going to happen regardless. Meaning a guy who is gonna stack of w/ QTs when he makes a flush is the same guy who is going to limp/call these types pre.

In general letting more players see the flop for cheap to try and hit this mystical flush over flush that's often talked about on here is absurd imo. In fact I would argue that raising increases the chance of someone stacking off strictly do to pot sizes going forward.

so yeah, raise pre
patchohare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2015, 05:24 PM   #13
WRH
centurion
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 160
Re: $1/$3 Turned boat, fireworks on the river

Quote:
Originally Posted by patchohare View Post
One thing I forgot to mention earlier was raise pre.

A suited A otb is a strong hand in a limped pot. There's dead $ in already and your giving yourself more ways to win. also you don't want the blinds in w/ atc, which is what happens at these levels. It's super hard to play when you can't define ranges.

the bigger the pot the tougher it is for the limp callers to play post flop. (Their more fit/fold post)

some will argue that you want to over flush villains w/ Axs. This happens very rarely and if it's going to happen it's going to happen regardless. Meaning a guy who is gonna stack of w/ QTs when he makes a flush is the same guy who is going to limp/call these types pre.

In general letting more players see the flop for cheap to try and hit this mystical flush over flush that's often talked about on here is absurd imo. In fact I would argue that raising increases the chance of someone stacking off strictly do to pot sizes going forward.

so yeah, raise pre
Excellent point. I am just getting back to poker after an extended break and I'm finding that I'm playing a little more passively than I used to (I have more mouths to feed so I'm having a tougher time distancing myself from the money). It's definitely a leak and I think I'm getting myself into bad situations because of this. I doubt I would have gotten him to fold pre but I think your point is still valid.
WRH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2015, 05:28 PM   #14
tmacTheorySSAnne
old hand
 
tmacTheorySSAnne's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 1,264
Re: $1/$3 Turned boat, fireworks on the river

Quote:
Originally Posted by patchohare View Post
fist pump, slap the waitress five, head nod and tip the dealer before villain shows.....then laugh w the rest of the table when your shown A9.

but seriously this is never ever anything other than a get all your $ in the middle spot
LMAO
tmacTheorySSAnne is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2015, 01:37 PM   #15
gobbledygeek
Poet Laureate of LLSNL
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 32,941
Re: $1/$3 Turned boat, fireworks on the river

I also overlimp preflop unless the 2 limpers and the blinds are quite tight (in which case I could get behind an isolation attempt raise). But my default is to overlimp behind and encourage a multiway limped pot with this speculative hand.

I play flop and turn the same way, although I probably bet more on the turn.

Wow, weird spot on the river. The one hand you didn't mention is A5, and if I was forced to narrow his range to one hand, that would be it. I think A9 is more apt to lead the flop (or check/raise it) and maybe even donk the turn (or put in more action). I don't feel great about going broke for 133bbs in a limped pot, but against a "middle aged Asian who loves to gamble", I'm doing so here.

GcluelessNLnoobG
gobbledygeek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2015, 02:12 PM   #16
WRH
centurion
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 160
Re: $1/$3 Turned boat, fireworks on the river

Quote:
Originally Posted by gobbledygeek View Post
I also overlimp preflop unless the 2 limpers and the blinds are quite tight (in which case I could get behind an isolation attempt raise). But my default is to overlimp behind and encourage a multiway limped pot with this speculative hand.

I play flop and turn the same way, although I probably bet more on the turn.

Wow, weird spot on the river. The one hand you didn't mention is A5, and if I was forced to narrow his range to one hand, that would be it. I think A9 is more apt to lead the flop (or check/raise it) and maybe even donk the turn (or put in more action). I don't feel great about going broke for 133bbs in a limped pot, but against a "middle aged Asian who loves to gamble", I'm doing so here.

GcluelessNLnoobG
You kind of hit the nail on the head with "going broke in a limped pot." That's why I posted this hand, I'm trying to avoid these situations where I have a strong-but-beatable hand in a limped pot where someone wants to GII. I love my hand but hate that it happened in a limped pot. I was ahead of everything but A-9.
WRH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2015, 04:28 PM   #17
tmacTheorySSAnne
old hand
 
tmacTheorySSAnne's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 1,264
Re: $1/$3 Turned boat, fireworks on the river

Oh yeah in a limped pot I also need to remember after the flop that it was a limped pot ~ leak
tmacTheorySSAnne is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:46 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2008-2020, Two Plus Two Interactive