Hero, $300, UTG: Sat at table few hands ago and raising every hand to create LAGGY donkey image, down a 100 or so

V1, $150, UTG+2: Middle-aged shortstacked woman, quiet, one of those nitty types, bet 1/5th pot or something with top set (KKK) on river, etc.


Hero raises to 15 with A6o UTG, V1 calls (RINGS ALARM BELLS ALREADY), 2 other callers...

Flop: Q 6 3 r
Hero checks, V1 leads out for 6, everyone calls

Turn: A
Hero bets 50, V1 shoves for 130, folds to Hero ??? (Are we ever good here?)

Preflop you may as well raise 72o if you are raising with a6o. I put her on aq or a set from the description. Guess she would slowplay set so v likely aq. Which is why playing ax especially oop is bad.

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Uh, well the A didn't scare her, and she's extremely nitty. Your alarm bells were ringing early so what does it say when she shoves over your turn lead? You think she has Q6 or Q3? Her value shoving range is AQ+ bro. Fold pre and play more like a donkey in late position where we can take down the pot more often and show our hand if we want to if we don't get to showdown.

The raise pre is sooooooo bad.

Fold fold fold

Given villain description, fold flop. She isn't betting into that many villains with a worse hand and you don't want to catch an ace here. If she is betting a bigger pair she gives up when an ace hits and if she has AQ or a set then catching an ace kills you.

Preflop is bad. When lagging it up bad AX hands should be in your folding range except in LP when the pot is folded around because you will get action from better aces far too often. Something like QJo is actually better because your more likely to have the best hand when you catch one pair.

Fold pre utg...

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Pre is really bad, turn donk is even worse. If alarm bells are going off in your head when she flats pre why are you leading the turn when her range is exactly AA/KK/QQ/AQ?

Cbet the flop, seriously raising trash UTG and checking THIS flop is where the leak is... Honestly this is far more important than whatever u do ott

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Omg, I hate preflop. And I hate our overall plan of spewing early to create a donkey image; we're not going to be able to recover the amount we're spewing to make it worthwhile. If we want to create a donkey image by simply showing up with some lol hands, at least wait until we're in LP in a pot that looks like it ain't going to go multiway where we can then get outta line with ATC hands.

I'm cool with flop.

Ha, honestly a crappy spot on the turn. We have such a spewy FOS image, but then again I just can't see what this person has that could be worse than ours and thinks they are betting for value, unless it's like a lol AK/AJ or something. I probably call because the future implied tilt odds against Ax hands might be worth it, but I suck like that.

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I'm not sure I can fold flop closing the action 4ways getting 13:1, knowing that a turn 6 with my image probably stacks someone.

Ya, I wonder if a cbet here is ok? I just hate building a big pot OOP with a mediocre hand, but there's a good chance our hand is best, might even possibly fold better, etc. I just don't find myself in this spot to begin with though.

A6o is like the 1st or 2nd hand that loses the most money in nlhe.

i don't think i can bet/fold the turn this shallow.

you played the hand terribly, though. fold pre. fold flop. you said yourself she makes silly small bets with monsters ... so she bets $6 into 3 other players in a $64 pot? and you call, why? lol pot odds? and now she stacks you because she bet silly with her set of 3s or AQ?

fold pre.

Fortunately for you, after you fold OTT here, your laggy image has only cost you $171 to set up (if you called, btw, you went over into FOS territory, hope that works for you as well as laggy is supposed to). We can make that back easy, right? Right?

Might be a good time to switch gears or whatever it was that you were doing that you needed that laggy image for.

Getting 13:1 looking to hit a 20:1 shot is the problem.
And that's assuming she doesn't have a set of 6s...

With your image, if a 6 hits on the turn, that's the one card they probably expect you to have. They aren't putting much more in if they can't beat it.

When she leads the flop similarly to how she bet a set of Ks, I fold.

Think it might even be closer to 22:1, but whatever, it's still ~10 bets or so to make up in order to make money. However, that bet is only for $6, so we only have to make up ~$60 or whatever before we are in the money, and with the pot already being $70, plus being up against 3 opponents, plus the 6 being very well disguised (we didn't raise UTG with a 6 did we?), this should be trivially easy to makeup.

The only argument for not calling the flop, imo, is the chance of being reverse dominated against a set and thus having bad RIO with a 6. Meh.

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A lot cheaper/easier/smarter ways to create a LAGGY image than raising A6o UTG. We're definitely creating a donkish image but we're also playing quite donkishly as well - I don't think that's the way it's supposed to work. Generally speaking we want to create an image (spewy, wild, etc.) and then play in a manner (solid tag) that will allow us to benefit from our opponents perceived image of us.

As played, we've got ourselves in a pretty crappy spot. Described villain is never betting flop with AK/AJ so it seems like we're always against sets and AQ. AA/KK are a miniscule possibility but not likely. We fold now.

I would have done the exact opposite of everything you did in this hand.

As played, you raised pre. I fold pre.
As played, you check flop. I bet flop.
As played, you bet turn, I check turn.

That being said, i'm assuming you called her jam? (hint hint)

Nope.. snap-folded it, lol